Talk:Fly International Luxurious Art

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Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 05:54, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fly International Luxurious Art → F.I.L.A. – The album title was announced as F.I.L.A., not as Fly International Luxurious Art. The cited tweet states: "My next Lp comin out in the 2nd quarter and is titled F.I.L.A acronym for "FLY.INTERNATIONAL. LUXURIOUS ART"" The album is titled "F.I.L.A.", which is an acronym for "Fly International Luxurious Art". Now of course this may change, but based on what info we currently have, the article title should be the acronym and not the full phrase. F.I.L.A. currently redirects to Ras Kass, who announced an album a while back by the same name, which would have been an acronym for "Fuck It, Lose It All", but there's no indication on the Ras Kass article that the album is still happening. We could create F.I.L.A. (Raekwon album) and F.I.L.A. (Ras Kass album), but I think we'd need more indication that the Ras Kass album actually exists before we do that. Relisted. BDD (talk) 17:09, 28 June 2013 (UTC) Wetdogmeat (talk) 00:41, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The majority of reliable sources since the announcement cite the title as Fly International Luxurious Art. I could list them all here but check the sources for your self. A Lot of artists refer to their albums as acronyms on Twitter to save space such as WMWTSO and MBDTF. You cannot use Twitter as a reliable source for an album title. It has also never been referred to as just FILA and the tour is also titled the "Fly International Luxurious Art Tour". Its pretty obvious he is using the full title as the official name. Maybe look this up before requesting a move without prior discussion. STATic message me! 01:37, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Right, well, I checked the sources cited in the article before I posted the RM, and the majority of them use the F.I.L.A. acronym as the primary title. So, maybe take your own advice. Complex, Now Toronto, MSN, XXL, Rap Up and Hip Hop DX (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) all give primacy to the acronym. The only ones that don't are the Huffington Post and BET. I googled it and the vast majority of sources give the acronym as the title with the phrase either in parentheses or explained in the body. Wetdogmeat (talk) 02:33, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No no no. They all use them interchangeably, only using FILA in the url for obvious reasons and use in a URL or as abbreviation does not hold any standing. You seem to not know what an abbreviation is. Only the sources SOON after the announcement used FILA as the primary topic name and the recent ones use Fly International Luxurious Art. See these sources [1], [2] where he refers to the album as Fly International Luxurious Art as he does in many other recent interviews and Tweets. I would possibly support a move to F.I.L.A. (Fly International Luxurious Art) as it is referred to in the sources but a move to F.I.L.A. or F.I.L.A. (Raekwon album) would be idiotic cause we both know the album is not just gonna be title FILA on the album cover. STATic message me! 03:39, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So, it's okay for you to use Twitter as a reliable source for an album title? Hmm. And no, the sources cited (excepting HuffPo & BET) don't use the terms interchangeably; that implies they use one and then the other, when in fact they use the acronym primarily and the full phrase secondarily (in parentheses). For the same reason, the acronym is not being used as an abbreviation of the full phrase; if it were, it would appear in parentheses and the full phrase would thereby be given primacy. I have no idea what the album cover art is going to say and neither do you. Wu-Tang are hardly unrenowned for their backronyms (which is what this is, of course, not an actual acronym - the album is named after a shoe). As I said in the RM: "Now of course this may change, but based on what info we currently have, the article title should be the acronym and not the full phrase." You claim there's been some change in how sources are referring to the album, but I can see no evidence of this at all in google searches; the acronym is given primacy in almost every source. I'd be willing to accept a move to F.I.L.A. (Fly International Luxurious Art) as a compromise for now. (PS: Would it be possible for you to discuss this without spontaneously resorting to snark and condescension? Thanks.) Wetdogmeat (talk) 05:04, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.