Talk:Football Federation of Macedonia

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The national team of the Republic played a friendly match against Spain celebrating '100 Years of football in Macedonia' [1]. Do any editor know which match this celebration refers to and where was it played? I could not find anything on the English-language sitesPolitis (talk) 12:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

North Macedonian flag[edit]

@Future Perfect at Sunrise: This article said Macedonian flag before the new name of the country, and based on the RfC decision we have the following:

RfC decision for State-associated and other public entities: as reported here in #3 by the Arbitration Committee, and we have to accept as a community, as they said:

What term should be used when referring to state-associated entities, including governmental organisations and official ranks, as well as other public entities from North Macedonia as specified in Prespa agreement?

Option B: Both "North Macedonian" and "... of North Macedonia", where a similar form would be used for other countries. e.g. the North Macedonian Government or the Government of North Macedonia.

The closing panel agrees that there is consensus for Option B. Furthermore, noting the fact that public entities are being retitled per Prespa agreement, newer sources find "North Macedonia"-related terminology more common, and we have the existing policies of WP:NAMECHANGES and WP:COMMONNAME.

In my opinion the flag should be handled as state-associated or other public entity, and therefore the options are either North Macedonian or "of North Macedonia". Since it was Macedonian flag, I changed it to North Macedonian flag, but the user @Local hero: reverted my edit. My edit was based on the RfC decision and was explained in the comment. It is really annoying that a clique of users remove the adjective North Macedonian from every article and replace it with "North Macedonia's", so I need a clear answer from you. @Antondimak: has faced similar problems with the same users, so he could probably comment too.

The RfC decision says Both "North Macedonian" and "... of North Macedonia", where a similar form would be used for other countries. e.g. the North Macedonian Government or the Government of North Macedonia..

There are two issues here:

1) North Macedonia's is not an option of the RfC decision

2) It was Macedonian flag so what is more natural than saying North Macedonian now, like we would do for other countries?

Could you please comment on that? Thanks for your time! Peace in balkans (talk) 16:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What I can tell you is: you need to find a new hobby. The last thing any of us here needs is single-purpose accounts who have no other contributions to make to Wikipedia than to obsessively quibble over their petty little naming agendas. Please understand that there are those of us here who have invested their time and energy in building up this project and actually writing articles, while the obnoxious presence of people like you on this project is entirely parasitic to what others have achieved. You are not wanted; go away. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:03, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Future Perfect at Sunrise: You keep saying that I am a single-purpose account, but you forget my contribution in the RfC. The way I see it is there are so many users on one side who reduce the quality of Wikipedia by ignoring RfC, so we need someone to play on the other side. This is me! Unless I make wrong edits, I don't think that Wikipedia prohibits people who make correct and useful contributions on a single topic! I am sure that the users who ignore RfC are not good examples but you don't complain about them. So your criterion is who contributes more and not if the edits are correct. I make only a few edits and I want all of them to be correct. Fair enough, don't you think?

I think you care too much about me than your role here which is to improve Wikipedia. You have responsibilities as an administrator. I asked you a very clear question, and I expect an answer based on the RfC decision. I receive your silence as a Yes it is obvious that it has to be North Macedonian flag. So if you don't answer to this message, I will make the edit and correct it back to North Macedonian flag, assuming that you agree. But, in this case you should not complain after the edit. I have warned you. Otherwise, please explain me why the flag doesn't have to be North Macedonian based on the RfC, and I will accept it.

btw nooo... I will not go away. Peace in balkans (talk) 18:39, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NATO and EU[edit]

@Sportspop: the Football Federation of Macedonia is not in NATO or the EU. It would take you all of 30 seconds to visit the website and discover the organization's correct name. Please stop naively moving the page and learn more about WP:CONSENSUS. --Local hero ^talk 18:40, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Local hero: Are you sure you are not confusing the two Macedonias? The main Macedonia is in Greece. The actual country using that name unlawfully held a referendum in 2019 and overwhelming voted to change their name with the ultimate reward being welcomed into Nato and the EU. Is this article about the country or the Greek province? If it is about the country, then the country's name in now North Macedonia. See the article and follow the sources. --Sportspop (talk) 18:47, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for providing clarity as to your POV on the topic, I need not waste time addressing any of it. WP:RM is the appropriate method for making controversial page name moves. Do not unilaterally move the title again. --Local hero ^talk 18:53, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey hold your horses. I don't have a "POV". I know nothing about the situation except what I read in the papers and see on the news. Didn't the country not rename all its institutions to add North before Macedonia? Wasn't that the purpose of the name change? I see it is called Football Federation of North Macedonia on both French and German Wikis. I can't read Macedonian as they use the Russian alphabet (or a variant of it). So why should English Wiki do things differently to French? Don't we use the same sourcea? --Sportspop (talk) 18:57, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The FFM is not a national institution and is thus not bound by the Prespa agreement. You can rest assured that myriad Greek editors left no stone unturned as far as page titles they could throw "North" on after the name change, however FFM is not one of them. The FFM's website is available in English where you will find its English name. Whether you can read Cyrillic or not, would you not expect that there would be four letters on the team's jerseys instead of three if indeed it had added "North" to the organization name? Apologies for not WP:AGF, but after being reverted you attempted the move yet again instead of starting a discussion to achieve consensus. --Local hero ^talk 19:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well I guess so but I don't know what it was before. Are you sure the website is up to date? If it hasn't been modified since 2018 then it will be out of date. Also I don't know what the hell the "Prepsa Agreement" means and where that comes into things. There was a referendum, and the people voted to change name. That's all I know. --Sportspop (talk) 19:05, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is very much up-to-date. There's an article on the Prespa agreement. That referendum had a 36.9% turnout due to a massive boycott; the corrupt ruling government then went against the will of the people and voted to change the name. That's the story in a nutshell and the impact here, again, is that the FFM has not changed its name. If that changes in the future, I'm sure it will be corrected instantly be those that relish the denial of the right to self-determination of a nation. --Local hero ^talk 19:15, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Against the will of the people? 94.18%. Now I see where you're coming from. You're promoting conspiracy theories. Nobody forced them to boycott, and doing so is a betrayal of democratic values. Years ago I lived in Australia and you're not eve allowed to "not vote" over there. They had the choice Local hero. If they didn't want the name changed, they only had to say no and I am pretty sure that a government hoping to join the EU was never going to fiddle the vote. So you are disagreeing that the country should be called North Macedonia. You're in the wrong. If I were in your shoes, I'd revert myself now across the whole area of disputes these past 20 minutes. I'm not going to touch those article again as I don't want to be blocked for editwarring. I could end up indeffed. --Sportspop (talk) 19:32, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 4 August 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) Iffy★Chat -- 18:44, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Football Federation of Macedonia → Football Federation of North Macedonia – Both UEFA [2] and FIFA [3] recognize the governing body of football in North Macedonia as the Football Federation of North Macedonia. The FFM violates the Prespa agreement and continues to refer to itself as Football Federation of Macedonia, but this cannot determine the name of article. -- Δασυγένης (talk) 15:39, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Just as international orgs referred to the Republic of Macedonia as fYROM, we still used Republic of Macedonia as the page title on Wikipedia. FFM refers to itself everywhere without "North", as acknowledged by nominator. The jerseys do not contain an N (or Cyrillic С). Wikipedia is not bound by the Prespa agreement. --Local hero ^talk 14:40, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Question Have they officially changed their name to the Federation of North Macedonia? If they have, then i'd be more inclined to support. But if they haven't, I would say leave it alone. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 20:50, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, they haven't. StephenMacky1 (talk) 20:56, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- In light of that, I !vote Oppose as its the official name and the proposed one isn't a COMMONNAME then. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:41, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I see no proof that "Football Federation of North Macedonia" is currently the common name, especially based on results on Google and Google Scholar. StephenMacky1 (talk) 20:55, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 08:35, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as above, on the basis there has been no name change. Giant Snowman 08:38, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.