Talk:For Your Love (album)

Lead guitarists

SilkTork: Including the lead guitarists again in the track listing doesn't appear to be an "encyclopedic guitar credit". They are already included in the "Personnel" section, where this type of info is normally found. However, the recording dates are not included elsewhere and since they are spread out over one year, it seems more encyclopedic to include them with the track listings. —Ojorojo (talk) 18:46, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ojoro. I understand your viewpoint, however the album covers a key moment in the Yardbirds history when two of the world's most important electric guitarists swapped over, and the album contains recordings by both of them. This information has been in the article since 2016, and has been edited by over ten editors in that time, including several directly on the track listing, including yourself in 2017. This assumes a certain acceptance of the value of that information. You made the change this year, and it was worthing thinking about, but I'm seeing that the listing of the lead guitarist is the more useful and valuable information. I understand your thinking regarding the dates, and did consider if both sets of information could be included, but felt that would be too crowded. The guidance in Template:Track_listing is that the extra column could be used for "Artist (compilations)", and this album is regarded as a compilation - indeed, that is what we have it listed as. And the advice at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_advice#Track_listing is to encourage listing of such things as different rappers or guest musicians, and notes that "this does not replace the personnel section but complements it: listing guest vocalists or producers of individual songs within the track listing doesn't exempt them from being outlined in the personnel section." So the principle of identifying key musicians in the track listing where relevant is established consensus. If you remain uncertain we can notify WikiProject Albums and get a consensus on which approach is the more useful. SilkTork (talk) 03:45, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

This doesn't explain why useful information has been excluded from the article. Because you feel that the identity of the guitarist should be repeated in the track listing table is not sufficient reason to remove the dates. The recording dates serve to identify the particular time or stage of the group's development, which only identifying the lead guitarist does not. Additionally, the dates themselves serve to identify the lineup – those before March 1965 are with Clapton and those after with Beck. I think we can both find WP articles that have existed for years with questionable material, despite many edits. Longevity does not necessarily indicate knowledgeable agreement and should not be a factor in determining whether the information is useful or how it should be presented. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:09, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

I agree that recording dates are useful information, though there is a limit to how much information can be squeezed into the tracklist, and given a choice of significant artist or recording date, the more useful and encyclopedic information, and the one supported by prior consensus as indicated by guidance advice, is that of the significant artist. Shall we bring in other views from WikiProject Albums? SilkTork (talk) 17:40, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

OK, restored recording dates – there's plenty of room for both. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:45, 7 November 2019 (UTC)