Talk:Ford Focus RS WRC

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I think this page should be moved to Ford Focus WRC. -- Andy29 23:34, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I moved the page. NSR (talk) 23:39, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I've cleaned it up a bit too. Andy29 00:07, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It has been suggested by User:OSX that this article be merged into Ford Focus (first generation) and Ford Focus (second generation, Europe). Prolog (talk) 07:28, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose this merge. Splitting the information into two articles would be a disservice to readers. The base model articles can include summaries and a {{main}} template per standard practice. Highly notable racing vehicles usually have their own articles, anyway. This is a two-time world championship winning car and competed in the WRC for 12 years. Also, the incoming 200+ wikilinks would need to be sorted out after a merge and we would still be left with the issue of where to redirect this page. Prolog (talk) 07:28, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose the merge. The Focus WRC is a vehicle so different that I think he deserves an article. --Jorjum (talk) 08:42, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I Support this merge. The article isn't very big and if it's added correctly into the Ford Focus articles it would be of more benefit to the Ford Focus article. Thanks Jenova20 08:45, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article doesn't include the results table yet (see Lancia 037). That will be long and at least 20KB, and Ford Focus (first generation) is already over 70KB. Readers shouldn't have to hop between two articles to see the results either. Prolog (talk) 10:18, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well some trimming may well be necessary then, is it always necessary for about 2 pages of engine sizes or trim levels? The size is a guide not an absolute rule, it's quality over quantity so i still support a merge. Thanks Jenova20 10:32, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support: small-sized article, easily converted into a section within the donor vehicle article. Wikipedia should be telling the whole story, and not catering to fringe interest groups that are only interested in motorsport and not the basic vehicle that the racing/rally version derives from. Fewer articles also results in less maintenance work. OSX (talk • contributions) 09:18, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Easily capable of being a standalone article, especially with results tables and other expansion. Comfortably notable in its own right, an utterly different notability from that of the road car. Merging is really quite inappropriate, and referring to motorsport enthusiasts as "fringe interest groups" is unhelpful. Nobody's advocating deletion of the road car article, they're not mutually exclusive. Furthermore, the prospect of maintenance work is not a criterion for deciding what is notable or otherwise. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:59, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: the car is notable enough to deserve its own article, and length is not revelant for notability, as there is plenty of room to expand and improve the article. OSX did not provided a single argument based on Wikipedia policies to support a merge.--Mariordo (talk) 02:14, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Car is notable enough for it's own article. Bjmullan (talk) 07:16, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: I oppose this merge, and I oppose the general push to merge all vehicles with the same or similar names into one article. If a subspecies of a model is notable on its own, independent of the notability of the model in general, it should have its own article. Ebikeguy (talk) 17:30, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: I think somebody who is interested in the WRC car is not interested in the road car whereas somebody who is interested in the road car is not interested in the WRC car. With exception of the name the WRC car has nothing in common with the road car. --217.227.122.233 (talk) 22:51, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: The Focus, and many other World Rally Cars like the Citroens and Peugeots (less so with Subaru and Mitsubishi), were racing specials - they had little in common with the road cars except the overall shape. Adding 4WD and a turbocharger is a BIG change. LRT24 (talk) 22:28, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The main Ford Focus article probably ought to link here using the {{main}} template. It makes things nice and clear. The articles for the two generations could do so as well. LRT24 (talk) 22:28, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Neste Oil Rally 2010 - Jari-Matti Latvala in shakedown.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on March 25, 2012. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2012-03-25. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! —howcheng {chat} 19:37, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jari-Matti Latvala, winner of the 2010 Rally Finland, drives his Ford Focus RS WRC 09 during shakedown in Muurame. The model is built for the Ford World Rally Team by Ford and M-Sport, and is based on the Ford Focus Climate 2-litre production hatchback. It was in competition from 1999 to 2010, winning 44 world rallies and two manufacturers' world titles.Photo: Kallerna

The wheelbase data (1800mm) in the article seems way too short; it is rather about 2500mm.--89.132.88.168 (talk) 22:04, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]