Talk:Forgive Me (Leona Lewis song)

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Good articleForgive Me (Leona Lewis song) has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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DateProcessResult
May 31, 2008Articles for deletionDeleted
May 31, 2008Candidate for speedy deletionDeleted
May 31, 2008Candidate for speedy deletionDeleted
June 16, 2008Candidate for speedy deletionDeleted
June 21, 2008Candidate for speedy deletionDeleted
August 25, 2008Candidate for speedy deletionDeleted
August 25, 2008Candidate for speedy deletionDeleted
May 8, 2010Peer reviewReviewed
May 30, 2010Good article nomineeListed
Current status: Good article

Article needs to be re-created?[edit]

The song comes out soon, and the video has been released http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TbObeE6s1I8 81.96.131.189 (talk) 13:38, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. See the notability threshold for songs. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 13:57, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There are plenty of reliable sources that mention this song, if that is what is required? — eon, 11:39, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Did you read the link above? Sources don't necessarily cut it. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 13:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikkipedis need to hurry up. Climbing up Aus and NZ itunes firtds. LMAO the first sigle of leona without wiki page lmao. Britneys got one and her songs released. Just look on the sun and daily mail and LL occial site the loads of info about. it dont need to be a big page yet. LMAO hurry up wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.73.48 (talk) 16:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have now unprotected this entry since being advised on my talk page that the single has charted in Sweden.[1].--Tikiwont (talk) 12:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

its not a promotinal single is a full single!!!!! Just look on offical site. you probably wont find it now. searh fogive me leona lewis offical site —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfman16 (talk • contribs) 13:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's what I initially thought, but the Swedish site linked above lists it as "Promo - CD-Single" but feel free to expand. I just threw in the info in since you blanked the page.--Tikiwont (talk) 13:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I give a load of refences. by the way it was released as a proper single in Aus and new zealand first. For charts section just copy whats been put in the chart bit the disgrathy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfman16 (talk • contribs) 13:24, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]


US relese date? how do you know in novemember 3rd —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.80.204.107 (talk) 11:19, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Europe radio relase[edit]

i'm from italy, yesterday i heard this song on the radio and today i see the music video on a music channel...--87.19.249.63 (talk) 13:13, 8 October 2008 (UTC)] Forgive Me dowload release in the UK is 20th October. Look on play.com and 7digital[reply]

Forgive Me released on Irish itunes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.90.8 (talk) 19:42, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fake chart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.90.8 (talk) 11:32, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No. 4 on the Irish Itunes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.90.8 (talk) 23:08, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Add a chart perfomance bit[edit]

I think it will be to add a section like the rest of leona singles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.179.147 (talk) 15:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Forgive Me (Leona Lewis song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Adabow (talk) 23:29, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    B. MoS compliance:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:


Lead[edit]

  • Cover image has proper copyright tags and non-free use
  • Third sentence in opening paragraph should have a comma: "...and Giorgio Tuinfort, and produced by Akon."

 Fixed TbhotchTalk C.

  • "The song received generally positive reviews from music critics, but some of them criticized Lewis's voice for be very similar to Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey voice." needs to be reworded, maybe "The song received generally positive reviews from music critics, but some of them criticized Lewis's voice for being very similar those of Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey."

 Fixed TbhotchTalk C.

  • "It peaked at number one in Slovakia and..." – in the 'Charts' section, the Slovakian chart is not mentioned, only the airplay chart. Make this clear in the lead
  • I changed it to "It peaked at number one in the Slovak Airplay Chart...". TbhotchTalk C. 02:09, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Background, music and lyrics[edit]

  • Is four lines of lyrics compliant with the copyright? I will try to get a second opinion on this. Are the lyrics necessary?
  • I added because them could significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, but I decided to remove them. TbhotchTalk C. 05:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Third paragraph: The two versions are already mentioned, but the lengths don't seem to fit in well with the composition. I suggest moving the length/version info from the second paragraph to the final paragraph. In other words, a bit of rewording of is needed in this section.
  • Removed the repeated (and unsourced) version. TbhotchTalk C. 02:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sheet music has copyright tag and non-free use rationale, and is captioned, but "Shuffle Dance" is mentioned, but not explained anywhere in the article

Release and promotion[edit]

  • First paragraph is slightly confusing. "Despite this, it was not released in the region" do you mean as a single? Make this known. "Later, "Forgive Me" was added in the deluxe edition of the album later the same year" the double-use of "later" sounds odd, and was the song in the deluxe edition internationally?
  • Changed to "Despite this, it was not released as a single in the region. Later, "Forgive Me" was added in the deluxe edition of the album, which was released internationally in the same year. TbhotchTalk C. 05:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "...Lewis explained why she decided to change musical genre, ballad, from her previous singles" A ballard is not a genre, but a form of song. Rewrite this sentence.
  • "Lewis performed the song on the TV Programs..." should be "Lewis performed the song on the television programs..."
  •  Fixed

Critical reception[edit]

  • "Sal Cinquemani of Slant wrote: "is a 'bouncy and youthful' addition to the album"" → "Sal Cinquemani of Slant called the single 'bouncy and youthful" - makes grammatical sense and uses words in the review.

 Fixed TbhotchTalk C. 02:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chart performance[edit]

  • Shouldn't the tables of charts be in this section?
I am basing it as other GAs songs. TbhotchTalk C. 02:19, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Music video[edit]

  • The music video for the song was filmed in May 2008 and directed by Wayne Isham, and it premiered on 16 September 2008 need 'and'
  • Music video screenshot has proper copyright tags and non-free use, except it says that it "has been published outside Wikipedia; see source above.", but there is no source above

Credits and personnel[edit]

  • No citation(s)
  • Well, where did you get the information from – you must have got it from somewhere – there's your source. Adabow (talk) 02:28, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Added. TbhotchTalk C. 02:35, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Year-end charts[edit]

Does the one year-end chart deserve its own table and section?

Added to the prose -> "In the 2008 UK year-end chart, the single reached the number 85". TbhotchTalk C. 23:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Final comments[edit]

The article is written in American English, but it seems to be more significant to Europe, particularly in the UK, so shouldn't it be in British English? (I won't fail the article because of this, just a general comment.)

Sorry, I studied American English since I was eight. In which sentences should be re-worded? TbhotchTalk C. 02:15, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Two words I noticed were 'criticized' (BE:criticised) and 'program' (BE:programme). You can use the find tool on your computer (Ctrl + F). There may be others. Try copy-and-pasting into a word processor and setting your language to BE for a spell check (I would do it but for some reason my MS Word is screwed up). Adabow (talk) 02:55, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I asked some help. TbhotchTalk C. 23:55, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I made a few minor edits at Tbhotch's request but found no issues with the British/American English spellings. AnemoneProjectors 00:36, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. TbhotchTalk C. 03:02, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are some minor issues, so I will put the review on hold for seven days, and ask for a second opinion on the copyright status of the lyrics. Adabow (talk) 01:23, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am satisfied with the improvements made to the article, and will now pass it. Congratulations and good luck with future improvements! Adabow (talk) 04:18, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm so happy :D thanks!!!. TbhotchTalk C. 04:25, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Second opinion, please[edit]

Do the lyrics in the 'Background, music and lyrics' section comply with copyright law? Thanks, Adabow (talk) 01:23, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi, I came across some information that I hope you find helpful. According to WP:MUSTARD (part of the MOS guideline), "copyrighted lyrics can only be used under the WP:FU provision", which states that "brief quotations of copyrighted text may be used to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea". One can probably make the case that the use of lyrics here is an acceptable use of non-free content (note: the lyrics would have to be attributed). That said, in this article I think the two sentences leading up to the lyrics more than adequately illustrate the song's lyrical content on their own. They are sourced and paraphrase the lyrics such that it's almost redundant to keep the lyrics in there. So personally, I would remove them regardless of the legality of their use; the article would be no worse off.  Gongshow Talk 06:20, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Live Performance Section[edit]

I'm surprised there isn't one, can I add one? because she performed the song outside of the UK as well. calvin999 (talk) 11:26, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is one, it is titled "release and promotion". Tbhotch* ۩ ۞ 19:20, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh haha. Well she performed it outside of the UK as well. calvin999 (talk) 20:00, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 2012[edit]

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The result of the move request was: page moved. I didn't realise there was a discussion at the time but it's common sense anyway. –anemoneprojectors– 16:43, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive Me (Leona Lewis song) → Forgive Me (song) – Although there are multiple songs titled "Forgive Me", none of them have an article. The move performed by Zac is useless at this moment. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 02:23, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose there are multiple songs with this title that Wikipedia has information on, so disambiguation is best. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 05:11, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Disambiguation in Wikipedia is the process of resolving the conflicts that arise when a single term is ambiguous". The page is not at "Forgive Me" is at "Forgive Me (song)", if somebody looked for this page s/he could write "Forgive Me" first, and later would have found a dab page. As I said, there are multiple songs titled this way, but no one has provided a reason why this page should be dablinked when none of them has an article. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 05:30, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, as it's the only article for a song with that name, a simple hatnote can link to Forgive Me#Music. Zarcadia (talk) 12:28, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Requested move 2014[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Rename. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:27, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Forgive Me (song) → Forgive Me (Leona Lewis song) – Forgive Me (Lynden David Hall song) now exists, so as I said in the previous RM, as long as there weren't a new article, it was unneeded to DAB. In the past people were more concern about creating good articles, now they are more concern to disambiguate. Just say support, and move on, no one needs explanations. This RM is used due to this. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 00:57, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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