Talk:François Fillon

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Introduction[edit]

How do you like my changes to the intro? Mdotley 22:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Government[edit]

Shouldn't the Fillon government/cabinet have a page of its own rather than be here?Thermaland 18:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Head of state in infobox[edit]

There's currently a disturbance at the current Canadian prime minister's article, Stephen Harper, regarding the inclusion of the head of state in the article's infobox, and, following that, on all previous Canadian prime ministers' articles; currently the Canadian series is the only one, as far as I can tell, where the relevant head of state is not listed in the infobox.

As this article, and all those for previous French prime ministers, list the head of state in the infobox, I'm wondering how the decision to do so was reached, and if this practice should or should not be the same for all PMs' articles. It seems odd to me that one series of PM articles would be different to all the rest.

Opinions are welcome; needed actually. The discussion is taking place at Talk:Stephen Harper#Infobox -- include GG and monarch?. --G2bambino 15:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

British citizenship?[edit]

Mr Fillon got married with a British citizen. Has Mrs Fillon forgotten her British citizenship following her marriage? Was Mr Fillon naturalized a British subject following his marriage? Is the current French Prime Minister both a French and British citizen (dual citizenship)? Gallagher 17:30, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it particularly matters. As Britain and France are members of the European Union, there is no real practical difference in him holding or not holding British citizenship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.54.2 (talk) 14:48, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree somewhat, it could matter, there still are some disagreements between the two countries (nothing that would lead to a war, of course). However as it never came up I would assume he's only French. Dual citizenship being allowed in both countries, every combination you can think of for the pair is possible. He started in (French) politics very young, about the same time of his marriage, and always lived in France (where he met his wife), so it would seem only logical that he'd chose not to take the British citizenship. Besides, being the subject of a King/Queen is not really something a French republican would want, if given a choice ! Aesma (talk) 16:51, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

French System[edit]

In the French system of government, does a Prime Minister still represent his or her district? I see no mention of what district/riding Fillon represents in the Assembly. --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:53, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No he does not. The deputy MP is acting on his behalf. Gallagher 06 82.251.215.112 (talk) 21:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You mean each district has a deputy MP, or does only a the prime ministers district get a deputy MP? Also, to which district was Fillon a MP for before being chosen as Prime Minister? --Criticalthinker (talk) 02:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Each MP has a suppléant who takes over if she/he joins the Government, or the Constitutional Council, or a few other organizations... Hektor (talk) 19:49, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And, are these suppléants elected or appointed? Really, it would be good if this type of information was to be included on the page for the office of the prime minister as well as other pages related to this. This is very foreign to Americans like myself. --Criticalthinker (talk) 03:40, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
They are elected in the same way as the vice-president of the USA is elected together with the president. This is really the same link. And there is no way back, i.e. when you leave the Government, you don't take the job back from the suppléant. Hektor (talk) 11:31, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is unlike the Canadian and British legislatures where government ministers are still in MP's, so that is why it is strange, to me. BTW, who now serves in place of Fillon in his district? --Criticalthinker (talk) 07:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The suppléant of François Fillon is Marc Joulaud, the mayor of Sablé-sur-Sarthe. Hektor (talk) 09:49, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You're mostly right, Hektor, except that when a député is not minister anymore, (s)he can take back his/her député seat from his/her suppléant. For example Jean-Louis Borloo is back at the Assemblée. Aesma (talk) 16:43, 16 June 2011 (UTC) I just discovered that this is in application of a new law from 2008, so your mistake was really small Aesma (talk) 09:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

President(s?)[edit]

I disagree with Hollande's inclusion in the infobox, as well as "May 16th, 2012" for the end of Fillon's term. First, it is misleading as it gives the impression that Hollande and Fillon effectively worked together. Second, according to these 3 articles (in French, sorry), Fillon handed his resignation to Sarkozy on Mai 10th, 2012, with he and his government merely in charge of "dealing with the current affairs" until the 15th. On a side note, the French WP article lists May 10th as the end of his term. What do you think? AurélieM 12:33, 1 January 2014 (UTC) - P.S. Happy New Year![reply]

Well, me again. I just realized it was a very recent edit that wasn't discussed beforehand. I guess I'll just revert it then. Never mind. AurélieM 21:41, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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This article needs help[edit]

This man was Prime Minister of a major country and is likely to become President of France. This article needs help! Usernamen1 (talk) 22:14, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I posted in WikiProject Politics that it needs a big improvement. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 23:04, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thatcherite?[edit]

There have been numerous sources recently describing Fillon as economically Thatcherite, i.e. an adherent of such policies as espoused by Margaret Thatcher. This probably should be referenced at #Economy, budget and taxation, given the high number of sources (such as BloombergTelegraphTimesFrance 24Reuters, for just a handful) describing him as such. Given the results from a Google News search for "Fillon" AND "Thatcher" OR "Thatcherite", it all satisfies WP:WEIGHT in my view.--Nevé–selbert 19:25, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, feel free to put something in along those lines. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 23:20, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not exactly sure how to formulate this information, however. That is why I came to the article talkpage. I suppose it could be added to the section I mentioned above, but should it be added to #Connections with the United Kingdom instead or as well as? As I say, I'm not sure where this new information should be situated.--Nevé–selbert 21:21, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I would say simply add it to the second paragraph of the 'Economy, budget and taxation' section - what about "Fillon has been compared to Margaret Thatcher due to his ambition to reduce the size of the state." Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 22:43, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, Absolutelypuremilk, but would it be OK if you were the one who added it? Since you seem to know your way around the article.--Nevé–selbert 23:37, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, done. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 09:00, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Chums" with Putin...[edit]

[moved here on 30Nov,22:36, from Absolutelypuremilk's talk page]

Absolutelypuremilk, thanks for your edit here on Flllon (09:37), which indeed takes away the unclearness of the statement I removed at 09:02 o'clock. Nevertheless I'm still puzzled, now over the question why Economist (wants to) call him 'chums' with Putin. By that choice of word they obviously are mocking or tarring Fillon, Wikipedia should not copy such (hostile) addressing of Fillon. If Economist wants to assert that they are friends, they (or we at least) can choose the neutral word 'friend', but the Economist should also have to corroborate that rather surprising assertion. --Corriebertus (talk) 11:14, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Chums to me is a stronger word than friend, but if you want to change it to friend then that is fine with me. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 11:32, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As I said (or tried to) in my edit summary of 30Nov.,14:19, and tried to say here at 11:14: writing that the French President-candidate Fillon is "chums" with the Russian President is a clear and direct assault at the integrity and trustworthiness of Fillon as a French politician. 'Economist' is fully entitled to do so in their own paper and website even without corroboration. But it's not our job or purpose to copy and thus distribute such unfounded insinuations against anyone. Without reacting to that criticism of mine, you re-inserted the phrase at 14:34 in the article. --Corriebertus (talk) 21:26, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you didn't see my edit summary - I added a source from the FT which also says that he is friends with Putin. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 21:36, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Corriebertus has now moved the "friends with Putin" comment into its own section "Criticism and insinuations". However, Fillon is described as being friendly with Putin in two reliable sources already in the article (FT and the Economist), as well as by Bloomberg and The New York Times. I will move the content back if no one else has any objections? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 12:49, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Infobox picture[edit]

I propose that we should use picture attached below as the main picture of the article. The current one is from 2010 while this is from 2015.

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Nepotism conviction[edit]

I noticed that he was sentenced to prison today. He was convicted and everything. I saw information on the original allegations here, but why didn't anyone mention he went on trial?Arglebargle79 (talk) 18:05, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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