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On 9 September 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Frank Mrvan. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

On 29 September 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Frank Mrvan. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Move review for Frank Mrvan[edit]

An editor has asked for a Move review of Frank Mrvan. Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 06:21, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 September 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Given the minimal participation and the more-or-less reasonable arguments on both sides, there's no way for me to find a consensus here. No prejudice against speedy renomination. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:34, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Frank J. Mrvan → Frank Mrvan – Most common name, federal representative who is currently in Congress and has national interest, versus his father who is a state Senator for Indiana. Andre🚐 16:23, 9 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:20, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

From the way the two articles are currently written, they seem to be a tossup with notability. The younger Mrvan is a new politico on the federal level, so doesn't show any great notability. He would be of greater national interest if he proposed significant legislation or was a major committee chair. The current situation between the two is a state senator with 40 years at the state level, or a reprsentative with over 1 year on the federal level. There is no great preponderance of notability accruing to the younger Mrvan. And if it turns out he becomes a 1-term congressman [1] his father would seem to have the greater long term notability due to the longer legislative record [2][3] which would impact the citizens of Indiana, and being one of the longest serving state senators [4]. On the balance in generic Google search, there isn't much between the elder and the younger. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 00:50, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. A Google News search for Frank Mrvan turns up almost exclusively results about the younger Frank Mrvan[5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13] Just about 1 source about the father retiring [14]. Notability is based on the weight of coverage in reliable sources, not based on the length of career. Even if Mrvan isn't reelected, he is more notable based on the source coverage of a federal US representative getting a lot of national coverage versus a state senator, mostly getting trivial local coverage. Andre🚐 02:54, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Gentle reminder that the primary topic for an article title relies not upon general notability, but upon the two main criteria as described at WP:PTOPIC. So setting general notability aside, one question would be, is either Mr. Mrvan called by the proposed title, "Frank Mrvan", in reliable sources moreso than the other Mr. Mrvan? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 12:41, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Both are primarily referred to as Frank Mrvan without any middle names or suffixes, as far as I can tell. Andre🚐 15:53, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To add on I think I demonstrated above that per WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY any test should yield the younger Mrvan - he's in the news a lot more and he's also more prominent in source material since he is a national U.S. Congressperson, and his father is a state representative of more local interest. Contrary to the statement by 64.229.88.43 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), they aren't roughly equivalent on a balance in Google search. Andre🚐 18:43, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 29 September 2022[edit]

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Per above close by Extraordinary Writ, 'both sides had strong arguments' and now that 30 days have passed since first nomination with minimal participation and no new arguments were made on either sides in the re-nomination, closing as no consensus. May re-visit this one when some more time has passed. (closed by non-admin page mover) —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 12:16, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Frank J. Mrvan → Frank Mrvan – Please see above discussion, relisting to get a greater participation. Andre🚐 21:38, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Frank Mrvan has won re-election to the House. I still think the move is merited. Andre🚐 08:11, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]