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ERROR - IT SAYS THAT THE MAN HE FELL IN LOVE WITH WAS "IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH ANOTHER MAN" - THIS IS WRONG. HE HAD A GIRLFRIEND AND WAS NOT GAY. HOWEVER HE ADMITTED HIS FEELINGS TO FRANK 3 YEARS LATER. IT'S IN THE POST FRANK WROTE. READ IT AGAIN.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.89.145 (talk) 16:21, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Place of birth

Hi folks, I recently read an article about Ocean concerning "Sound of 2012". In the clip you can easily see at the head of the page he says that california is the state he was born (not New Orleans/Louisiana). But because of some language difficulties i cannot understand the exact town. Maybe you can help me? --Music fanhere (talk) 19:23, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-16390456

Yes, in the video clip he says he was born in Long Beach, California. He says he moved around a bit and ended up in New Orleans at age 5 1/2. The article should be fixed. Vandemark (talk) 16:19, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Fixed the error. --Happy Panda (talk) 06:27, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Ocean's father is a living person and covered by WP:BLP too

We cannot include in the article claims about the actions of a living person, Ocean's father, that have as their sole basis a twit, one which is not even verifiable because it has been removed from the account. Unless / until reliable sources cover an actual court case filing, we cannot have such gossip in the article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:08, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Personal life

Could the term Unrequited love be used in the sentence about Ocean's open letter about his experience? According to his letter, his feelings were not reciprocated. Dan56 (talk) 23:27, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Something like this: "Ocean published an open letter on his Tumblr blog recounting his unrequited feelings for a man when he was 19 years old, citing it as his first true love". Dan56 (talk) 23:43, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Yes. I think it's a good idea. ツ Teammm TM 01:03, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
User:Pass a Method reverted my removal of these categories, saying that Ocean did announce his sexuality in the open letter. I argued that he only revealed only the feelings he had for a man rather than saying he's bisexual or homosexual. Am I mistaken? If so, where in this letter does it say that? Dan56 (talk) 13:29, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
It doesn't explicitly say it, but he references the girls he had been with before, yet this guy was the first one he fell in love with. I doubt he will say the actual word "bisexual" any time soon. Maybe. ツ Teammm TM 20:58, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Someone needs to add the details surrounding the altercation between Ocean and Chris Brown Jan 27 Altercation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.232.145.124 (talk) 16:21, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Not quite. This is a biography of Frank Ocean. Wikipedia is not news, or an indiscriminate collection of information. Teammm talk
email 17:27, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


Thinkin' Bout You was not a song about his bisexuality. The song was actually written for Bridget Kelly (that chick who fills in for Alicia Keys at Jay’s live shows). It was produced by Shea Taylor

The guide vocal track that Frank did (to give Kelly a rough idea of how he wanted the song to sound) was subsequently leaked and went viral. Because of the response to the song Frank went back in the studio and remastered the track adding in background vocals and additional lyrics, with this version finding its way onto

Neither is the song Pink Matter. It's in fact about his mixed perception towards the female genitals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.53.78.143 (talk) 19:34, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

We go based on what the sources say about the songs, not our interpretations. An editor had recently added the song "Thinking About You" to an existing list. I cannot access the source right now to verify which songs they include in their analysis, but put an edit request tag here so that someone else will be alterted. -- The Red Pen of Doom 20:14, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
I revised the sentence, not mentioning songs in particular nor sexuality, but this sentiment is echoed by numerous other sources, so it's notable enough to include as is. While you can interpret he wrote the song for someone else, I can counter with it being written by Ocean, after the unrequited love he revealed. So interpretation doesnt matter. Dan56 (talk) 21:17, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Not done: {{edit semi-protected}} is not required for edits to semi-protected, unprotected pages, or pending changes protected pages. Mdann52 (talk) 16:57, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Ghostwriter?

Is there a reason why he is described as a 'ghostwriter'? Surely he was just a credited songwriter. If he was a ghostwriter then so is Max Martin a ghostwriter for Britney Spears or RedOne a ghostwriter for Lady Gaga. I think it's the wrong word to use. 123.122.0.156 13:43, February 12, 2013

It is true that he was a ghostwriter. His first songwriting credit was in 2011 for I Miss You (Beyonce Knowles song). Teammm talk
email 17:52, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Fight with Chris Brown

Please add this to Frank Ocean's personal life section -


In the late night hours of January 27, 2013, at Westlake Studio, Chris Brown approached Frank Ocean and his entourage and a fight broke out. Ocean's finger sustained a cut. Chris Brown was not there when officers arrived -- but they did speak to Frank Ocean. No one wanted to press charges, and no arrests were made.


http://perezhilton.com/2013-01-28-chris-brown-fights-frank-ocean-westlake-studio#.UWrtgUp4_rp http://www.tmz.com/2013/01/27/chris-brown-frank-ocean-fight-westlake-studio/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.59.172.31 (talk) 18:01, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

.I think Hip hop is full of homophobia cuz i am a rapper and so far it has not been a good road for me(as a artist and a student). Cuz im trying to do wot im suppost to and i cant cuz all these other fooz are making a big deal otta it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MRivera25 (talk • contribs) 18:20, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Genres

What genres does Frank Ocean really do?Does he do Hip hop, R&B, Soul or all three of em.--MRivera25 (talk) 18:18, 28 October 2013 (UTC)MRivera25 

Frank Ocean makes alternative, experimental, r&b. (source: http://www.spin.com/2012/12/trend-of-the-year-alt-rb-2012-frank-ocean-weeknd-miguel/)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseriverajunior (talk • contribs) 21:32, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Frank Ocean

I know I don't have Wiki editing experience but it says he is a Rapper and he isn't a Rapper a Rapper is someone like Lil Wayne . And the Statement that he wrote songs for Justin Bieber is untrue because Justin Bieber didn't become famous until 2007, So why would a Popular person write for Justin Bieber when Justin Bieber was a nobody . I'm Lil Wayne isn't going to write a Rap song for me to Rap because I'm just a Gamer and Partnered on YouTube but, I write my own songs. So a lot of this article need to be fixed badly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2E0D:9C00:8081:4989:466D:4ACD (talk) 20:47, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2015,,,here's what the Frank Ocean Wikipedia page is missing !!

 The Wikipedia Bio missing that Damienn Jones and frank ocean

worked together on a unreleased song in late 2014/2015.incorporate that in the bio please! Links of articles below heres the media links tmz,mtv,bet,ect http://www.therainbowhub.com/artist-profile-damienn-jones/ http://raynbowaffair.com/damienn-jones-teams-up-with-frank-ocean-for-summertime/ http://mic.com/articles/123239/frank-ocean-s-new-album-might-miss-july-deadline-and-the-whole-internet-is-freaking-out http://www.ischoolguide.com/articles/22844/20150819/frank-ocean-new-album.htm http://www.tmz.com/person/frank-ocean/ thanks. my name is Tiffany email mtvgirl07@mail.com DefjamLady (talk) 15:13, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 09:57, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2015

| associated_acts =

| website = frankocean.com }}

Christopher Francis "Frank" Ocean (born Christopher Breaux October 28, 1987), is an American singer, songwriter and rapper. Ocean started his career as a ghostwriter for artists such as John Legend, Damienn Jones Justin Bieber, and Brandy.

In the article I would like that name Damienn Jones and Tyler the Creator to be added in associated_acts? What wording would you like to be used? in the first portion of the article I want you to insert the name Damienn Jones after John Legend and before Justin Bieber.thank you

12.150.181.20 (talk) 17:31, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

 Not done The article on Damienn Jones has been repeatedly deleted as non-notable, so you would need to address that serious problem before listing him as an example in the lede/infobox. If you know of reliable sources that are independent of both Ocean and Jones which discuss their work together, then you could start a talk page discussion about mentioning that in the body of the article. Grayfell (talk) 00:20, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2015

please incorprate that in the bio Damienn Jones and frank ocean worked together heres the reliable sources http://www.mtv.com/artists/damienn-jones/biography/ http://www.therainbowhub.com/artist-profile-damienn-jones/ http://raynbowaffair.com/damienn-jones-teams-up-with-frank-ocean-for-summertime/ http://www.tmz.com/person/frank-ocean/

100.37.69.149 (talk) 23:49, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Not done for now: Per the answer to your previous request, you're going to need to be more specific than that. Exactly where in the article would you like that information to be added? What wording would you like to be used? Please reply with something more specific and then change "answered=yes" to "answered=no" in the request template. Mww113 (talk) 02:49, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
As an additional note, none of those are usable sources for this content. The Rainbow Hub and Raynbow Affair do not appear to be reliable sources. The other two are user generated content, press info, or some unreadable hybrid of the two, which do not establish this as being significant enough to mention. Grayfell (talk) 00:30, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2016

I wish to update Frank Ocean's Wiki photo as it's quite outdated. One from his Tumblr page would be ideal or simply a more recent photo that actually shows his full face. Thank you.


Lukecasaletto (talk) 13:39, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Not done: Please make your request for a new image to be uploaded to Files For Upload. Once the file has been properly uploaded, feel free to reactivate this request to have the new image used.
Please note that the picture must not be copyright, which excludes almost all images that you find on the internet, in magazines etc., and you will need proof that it is not copyright, just saying it is not copyright is not acceptable. - Arjayay (talk) 13:48, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

ENDLESS

The notion that ENDLESS is one of the two versions of "Boys Don't Cry" that Ocean mentioned a year ago is pure speculation at this point. Someone with access should delete that bit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.19.172.252 (talk) 06:15, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Greeneadamd (talk) 19:58, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Done nyuszika7h (talk) 10:02, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Birthplace incorrectly listed as Long Beach, California and should be New Orleans, LA

Frank Ocean was born in New Orleans, LA. As referenced here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostalgia,_Ultra#Background

The birth city should be changed from Long Beach, California to New Orleans, LA.

Editors Note: Prior comment was unsigned.

 Done -- Dane2007 talk 04:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2016


Top photo caption states "Ocean performing at Coachella in August 2012". Should be April, not August.

Thegooddr (talk) 04:38, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- Dane2007 talk 04:53, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Updating Information

Consider explaining the acronym "OFWGKTA" that is placed throughout the page. "OFWGKTA" or "Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All", There is no clear explanation anywhere on Frank Ocean's Wiki page but the group is named throughout. Wickersham94 (talk) 02:49, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Mixtapes

In general, we only list the regular studio albums when there is an artist discography. Previously this article also listed a number of mix tapes. That is highly unusual and I would suggest it needs a thorough discussion here before it is included. Mainly because Frank Ocean is a high profile page and it would set a certain precedent for other articles with a similar output. Karst (talk) 11:41, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

@Karst:, who's "we"? I recall this page listing the mixtape for a fairly long time until some editor removed it. Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians/Article guidelines "in most cases" a simple list of studio albums suffices as "a summary of the musician's major works"; well this is a case that's not one of those "most", since according to what's in this article, the "breakout mixtape" made Ocean "widely known and led to his collaborations with rappers Jay Z and Kanye West". The significant coverage of this mixtape warrants its inclusion as a "major work" in his discography. And no article or revision to an article can set precedents for any other article on Wikipedia; you've heard of WP:OTHERSTUFF, right? If you disagree that this isn't one of those occasional cases where something other than a studio album belongs in the discography section, then please start an RfC to establish a consensus for removing the mixtape. Dan56 (talk) 12:48, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Well, that is what I am trying to tease out here really. Under Discographies there has been a discussion about their notability (see here). But that is from 2010. Obviously this was a more notable one, but still not 'officially' released with clearance. I guess an RfC would perhaps be a good idea as I can see other editors coming in an reverting it (I'm leaving it as it is under WP:BRD). Karst (talk) 13:10, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

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RfC: Should this mixtape remain listed in the artist's discography section?

There is a unanimous consensus that Nostalgia, Ultra should remain listed in the Frank Ocean article's discography section. Cunard (talk) 05:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

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I have opened this RfC due to the occasional removal of Nostalgia, Ultra from the Frank Ocean article's discography section. Developing a consensus for future reference couldn't hurt. Please place your votes under Votes and your explanation/comments under discussion. Dan56 (talk) 13:43, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Votes

  • Yes - per my comments below. Dan56 (talk) 13:43, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes, with a small caveat. Critical reception establishes Nostalgia, Ultra as a notable recording in Ocean's body of work. Nevertheless, Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians/Article guidelines#Discography section states that "live and compilation albums, EPs, singles, etc. should generally not be included". Therefore, it would be more preferable for the section to look something like that of the "Discography" section for Drake (another example of a musician who recorded a mixtape that qualifies as a noteworthy work in his catalogue) than for Nostalgia, Ultra to simply be listed right above the other two works. On Drake's page, it is noted in bold which ones are studio albums, which ones are mixtapes, etc. AndrewOne (talk) 05:37, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes per AndrewOne. Some mixtapes are "major works" for the purpose of listing, others are not; Nostalgia Ultra clearly makes the mark. If all mixtapes were listed throughout Wikipedia (as here, where there is a separate discography page) it would be overwhelming for certain artists — the prolific Lil B and Gucci Mane come to mind — so it makes sense to distinguish "major" and "minor" mixtapes. A tentative rule of thumb might be that mixtapes are major if they rank on end-of-year "album" lists, like Nostalgia, Ultra or Drake's IYRTITL as referenced above, or if there are some other indicators of "major" status through acclaim. —BLZ · talk 07:01, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Yes per Dan56 and AndrewOne. By all accounts the mixtape features as a "major work" in his career and thus should be included. BLZ raises an excellent point that it's important to distinguish between "major" and "minor" mixtapes for more prolific artists, but I think it's less of a concern in this particular case.--FacultiesIntact (talk) 00:13, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Discussion

According to Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians/Article guidelines#Discography section, the discography section of the musician's primary article should "provide a summary of the musician's major works. In most cases this is done using a simple list of their studio albums, leaving a complete listing of releases to the discography article." I believe Nostalgia, Ultra is a major work for this artist and this is one of those uncommon cases where a simple list of studio albums doesn't suffice. The article gives enough coverage of this mixtape's significance in Ocean's career and discography to warrant inclusion in the section. I will highlight a key passage in the first paragraph of the lead: He released his breakout mixtape, Nostalgia, Ultra, to critical acclaim in 2011. It generated his first charting single "Novacane". In 2012, Ocean finished in second place in BBC's Sound of 2012 poll. There is also an entire subsection in the body of the article where the mixtape is the focal point; another key passage: The mixtape made Ocean widely known and led to his collaborations with rappers Jay Z and Kanye West. Furthermore, the largest portion of the "Controversies" section is a paragraph dedicated to one of the songs from the mixtape. The article on Nostalgia, Ultra itself fleshes out these points, particularly the Impact section. Dan56 (talk) 13:43, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

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personal life

"Ocean became one of the first major African-American music artists to announce that he had fallen in love with someone of the same sex, notable because the music scene is known for homophobia.[63][64]" if u wanna say hip hop is notorious for homophobia sure, but dont generalise it to all african american music please — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.7.236.204 (talk) 19:46, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Truthfully, does anyone care whether he is Gay or not? What was/is the point of declaring one's sexuality? It no longer has any impact and it is as predictable as any discussion of race, orientation or creed. He is no Sam Cooke; Marvin Gaye; Stevie Wonder or Smokey Robinson. He is ordinary as his his music and so-called creativity. The declaration of his sexuality is simply a perfunctory and predictable mainfestation of Liberal Hollywood and the Arts...in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.209.54 (talk) 20:53, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Occupation

I added to the page that Frank is also a rapper. In his solo career, he is only a singer-songwriter which originally was the only occupation listed. However, in OFWGKTA, there are several songs such as "Oldie" off of the group's album The OF Tape Vol. 2 and Tyler, The Creator's song "She" off his sophomore album Goblin in which Frank Ocean is actually rapping rather than singing (though he does actually sing the hook in "She"). I didn't add hip hop music to his genres because in his solo career he doesn't actually rap, however, he does rap in Odd Future. TomUSA 01:08, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Please cite a source saying that he is a rapper. Otherwise, two instances doesnt make it his occupation. This would tie in to notability and coverage from third-party sources, what the artists are known for, etc. Dan56 (talk) 01:14, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
He's rapped in Tyler's "Window", Earl Sweatshirt's "Sunday", ASAP Rocky's "Purity" and in one of his last singles "DHL". I'm pretty sure I heard some more as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deluded communist (talk • contribs)
But the media calls him a singer who sometimes raps, that his rapping skill is a "secret weapon". The rapper label isn't so appropriate in that case. Binksternet (talk) 15:43, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

2017–present: Blonded Radio, singles and third studio album

The section titled "2017–present: Blonded Radio, singles and third studio album" has, in its current form at least, no mention of anything regarding a third studio album. Scatterkeir (talk) 08:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Frank Ocean lede occupations

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
There is unanimous consensus that Ocean should be described as a singer, and strong consensus that he should be described as a songwriter. There is weaker consensus to describe him as a rapper; nobody argued specifically against it. There is consensus against including any other occupations. Therefore, Ocean should be described as a "singer, songwriter, and rapper" (or just "singer and songwriter"). Tol (talk | contribs) @ 15:57, 11 November 2021 (UTC)


Looking to gain consensus on what career notable occupations everyone thinks is fit for the lede per MOS:ROLEBIO (list all that apply)

  • singer
  • writer
  • rapper
  • record producer
  • photographer
  • visual artist

ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 10:43, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Discussion

  • Based on the literal majority of the article, I suggest singer and at most singer and songwriter, nothing else is significant enough. ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 10:43, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Singer, rapper and songwriter, the other stuff is barely mentioned in the lead -FMSky (talk) 21:14, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Only singer and songwriter; those are the main reasons he's notable, and accordingly, the other roles are given only brief mentions on his page. ModernDayTrilobite (talk) 21:41, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Rapper, singer and songwriter. Based on reliable sources, he is clearly a rapper. That seems to be what he is labeled the most in reliable sources actually. ––FormalDude talk 10:56, 22 October 2021 (UTC) (Summoned by bot)
  • Singer and songwriter or Rapper, singer and songwriter. None of his other activities are nearly notable enough. Several articles refer to him as a rapper, though he is still more notable as a singer, with even those publications admitting to this. I wouldn't protest against having rapper in the lede, but Singer and Songwriter are the only two elements that are absolutely essential to his description. PraiseVivec (talk) 18:14, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Singer and rapper, in that order, although I would not oppose the inclusion of songwriter, as he has a number of songwriting credits on songs that are not his own. ChicagoWikiEditor seems to have decided that Ocean is not a rapper, and went further than paring down the lead sentence, removing “rapper” from the infobox as well. The man is clearly a rapper as supported by a predominance of sources. (And it would seem absurd to remove rapper, but not visual artist or photographer.) — HTGS (talk) 01:19, 23 October 2021 (UTC) (Summoned by bot)
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Birth name

User:Trillfendi has provided this link to a person named "Christopher Edwin Cooksey", who this editor claims is in fact Frank Ocean. User:Trillfendi has also inserted an editor's note reading "Note:His birth name is Christopher Edwin Cooksey, not Breaux". This editor has reverted edits where reliable sources, such as TMZ, state "Christopher Edwin Breaux ... as in the name Frank was given at birth". The input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:53, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

If TMZ were considered a reliable source on this website then why does the insertion of references to them require additional secondary references to "better" sources to give them credit.... Births in California are public record. That’s law. So like I said, look up anybody with the surname Breaux born in California, in the Christopher category you get two men named Christopher Michael Breaux and Christopher James Breaux. Neither of them born on October 28, 1987. Neither of them were even born in the 80s. One of them wasn’t even born in Los Angeles County. Now why is it that Frank Ocean was born on October 28, 1987 and his father’s last name is Cooksey and his mother’s last name is Breaux; yet the other men have mothers with the maiden names Sims and Thomas respectively. Use common sense. Just because you have a personal incredulity fallacy doesn’t make it not the fact. If you have an issue with that take it up with the California Department of Public Health Vital Records. Trillfendi (talk) 18:29, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Ok, what about this link to Essence: "Frank Ocean’s birth name is Christopher Edwin Breaux"? Magnolia677 (talk) 19:22, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
It appears we have a genuine disagreement here, I have to be honest that while User:Trillfendi’s research is compelling it is also 100% WP:OR. Unless we have a WP:RS that says "Christopher Edwin Cooksey” it stays out of the article. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 02:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
It's almost like that's why I kept leaving notes saying that the birth name should be completely removed until a reliable source is found so that BLP policy doesn't keep getting abused. But no... people repeatedly insisted upon putting "Christopher Edwin Breaux" there so I had enough. Accuracy over all else. Trillfendi (talk) 19:19, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Sorry to revisit this, but I also believe the inclusion of his birth name counts as WP:OR, where there are WP:RS articles that show his name to be "Christopher Edwin Breaux"[1]. Further, in his songs he uses his legal name for writing credits - "Christopher Breaux[2]. The name Christopher Breaux was used for the songs "Cayendo" [3] and "Dear April" [4] which were released in 2020[5]. While there may be confusion about his birth name, it is clear he currently uses "Christopher Breaux" as his legal name, thus, shouldn't we only be referring to his legal name? Can the birth name references be removed until we can get 100% clarity on this? Doublebside (talk) 19:32, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.wmagazine.com/story/frank-ocean-cover-story-interview/
  2. ^ https://www.ascap.com/repertory#ace/performer/FRANK%20OCEAN http://repertoire.bmi.com/Catalog.aspx?detail=writerid&page=1&fromrow=1&torow=25&keyid=1146702&subid=0
  3. ^ http://repertoire.bmi.com/DetailView.aspx?detail=titleid&keyid=42824122&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&blnAltTitles=True
  4. ^ http://repertoire.bmi.com/DetailView.aspx?detail=titleid&keyid=42824125&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&blnAltTitles=True
  5. ^ https://www.nme.com/news/music/frank-ocean-releases-dear-april-and-cayendo-on-streaming-services-2640337
People can disagree with it but it’s (CBI) an acceptable source when no better ones are available. It’s even used in Good Articles. Original research would be pouring through court records of his name change to Frank Ocean. Original research is not using a source that compiles birth records. Trillfendi (talk) 21:18, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Trillfendi - can you elaborate on this statement then? "It's almost like that's why I kept leaving notes saying that the birth name should be completely removed until a reliable source is found so that BLP policy doesn't keep getting abused." Why is the alleged birth name included at all in the article without WP:RS?Doublebside (talk) 17:39, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
here is the birth certificate of Christopher Edwin Cooksey The mother's name is listed as Breaux, the father's as Cooksey, as well as the child's.Aloist (talk) 17:45, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
This is OR. From W Magazine: "He was born Christopher Edwin Breaux and grew up in New Orleans, where he was raised by his mother." AllegedlyHuman (talk) 21:09, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
California Birth Index cannot be used because of the WP:DOB guideline. But CBI is not wrong, and it totally disproves the Breaux surname. We can't put that into the article per WP:DOB. What we CAN do is remove the claimed surname Breaux because we know it is wrong. So it doesn't matter how many sources can be found supporting Breaux as the birth name—they are all based on public relations tales fabricated by Ocean and his people. They are all wrong. Binksternet (talk) 17:01, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Shouldn't it at least be mentioned that he wasn't born "Frank Ocean"? That's how the article reads now. Birdplay (talk) 11:55, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

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Quick question

what does "elliptical" mean in the intro paragraph? I can't find any information on it. --Bumpf said this! ooh clicky clicky! [insert witty meta-text on wiki-sigs here] 20:18, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

@Bumpf: Elliptical means using ellipsis, which is the omission from speech or writing of a word or words that are superfluous or able to be understood from contextual clues. ––FormalDude talk 20:22, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2022

Source 151, the article by Joyce Chen, has a link that no longer works. The article's title was changed so the link was changed, the link should be changed to: https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/b-singer-frank-ocean-odd-future-summer-romance-man-changed-life-article-1.1107779 Rustypython (talk) 20:08, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done and added archive link. TGHL ↗ 🍁 20:32, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Name Change

The legal name listed at the very beginning of the page is still listed as "Christopher Francis Ocean". Since 2015, Frank's legal name has been "Frank Ocean". The "Name Change" section of the page has already reflected this for a while. Source: [1] Gayfurryvore123 (talk) 20:29, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2023

Hi I think due to his behaviour I think it’s. Best if we delete his page 101.162.94.19 (talk) 09:23, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: If you think a page should be deleted, you need to start one of the deletion processes. However, this is clearly not a serious request, so I doubt you'd have much success. Wikipedia does not delete articles based on alleged unethical behaviour by the subject. Actualcpscm (talk) 09:55, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Controversies

due to the enormous controversies that came out for his Coachella performance, i think that it needs to be covered on this article Phone thanos (talk) 12:29, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

The controversies linked to his 2023 Coachella performance are covered in the last paragraph of the "2017–present: Blonded Radio, singles and Homer" section. -- Kzkzb (talk) 14:53, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
Oops, thank you Phone thanos (talk) 13:27, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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