Talk:Future Combat Air System

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This is a different thing from the FOAS, and so shouldn't redirect to it. FOAS was canceled in 2005; FCAS was started in 2012.

Proposing to split article as Franco-German project with same name gathers pace[edit]

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/ila-airbus-dassault-cement-fcas-pact-448009/

Project with same name (and likely greater potential). Already discussed as being two separate programs here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth-generation_jet_fighter#International_development

Project location[edit]

@Ssolbergj If you think this is an EU project then please find a reliable source saying that.

Just because the countries involved are three, of the 28, EU members does not make it an EU project. If that were the case then everything developed in any of those 28 countries would be an EU project — Preceding unsigned comment added by FerdinandFrog (talk • contribs) 19:21, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This project will likely be funded in part by EU money - and therefore be an EU project of sorts - through the European Defence Fund (EDF, an instrument of Spain's, France's and Germany's Common Security and Defence Policy), as indicated here [1]. Given EDF's rules, it is moreover likely that FCAS will also be a Permanent Structured Cooperation (PESCO) project. Airbus - which owns a stake in Dassault - is also registered as an EU company (societas Europaea), and France, Germany and Spain are all EU members. So I believe there is a strong case for stating that the EU is FCAS's de facto place of origin. A place of origin doesn't necessarily have to coincide with the individual entities that commissioned the item. For example, one could say that Norway is the place of origin for the cheese slicer, even though the exact location was Lillehammer. - Ssolbergj (talk) 09:40, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You start of with a likely and have another likely later on. Hence it is clear from what you have written that this is not an EU project.

As I said earlier:

- The registration of the contractor(s) is irrelevant, a US project developed by BAe is American despite BAe being a British company.

- Three, of the 28, EU countries being involved does not make it an EU project, otherwise everything developed in an EU country would have to be listed as an EU project.

Wikipedia is for the readers not the editors and we should make things consistent for them. If you think that potential EU funding needs to be reflected in the origin section than that would have to apply to a lot of other pages not just this one. So you need to get a policy on that agreed.

To do that I thing that you need to raise the topic at WikiProject Aircraft

FerdinandFrog (talk) 14:10, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Setback[edit]

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/03/09/fcas-program-airbus-dassault/ Xx236 (talk) 07:02, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]