Talk:Garbage (band)/Archive 1

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Hey, if anyone knows anything about drummer Matt Chamberlain's involvement with Garbage (apparently he played on one of the records and did a tour), then it'd be great if you could incorporate it into the article. Thanks!

The song "As Heaven Is Wide" appears in the first Gran Turismo game, as well as the soundtrack. This ought be mentioned somewhere in this article. For more info (and that album's cover art), see: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000DMJH/sr=1-3/qid=1155622703/ref=pd_bbs_3/002-5892963-5100021?ie=UTF8&s=music

Is the myspace page myspace.com/garbage official? if so it should be added as a link.

ed: Garbage has had the following contributors (in terms of drumming):

Dave Grohl (Bad Boyfriend), Matt Chamberlain (Cup of Coffee, Can't Cry These Tears, Confidence, Space Can Come Through Anyone), Clyde Stubblefield (Queer, Not My Idea), and Matt Walker (Run Baby Run, Right Between the Eyes, Why Do You Love Me, Metal Heart, Boys Wanna Fight, Why Don't You Come Over, Happy Home).

Butch Vig has been filled in on tour by: Larry Mullen Jr., Matt Chamberlain, Matt Walker, and band mate Steve Marker (Butch and Steve traded places).

Covers, etc.

I'm confused why this band has such an extensive live covers, b-sides, etc. section. The recent wikification is helpful, but for the most part, it rambles. Most bands do some covers, after all, and there are fan sites that do exhaustive documentation of that. I just don't see what's encyclopedic or intrinsically interesting about these covers -- let alone the dates they were performed. --Dhartung | Talk 04:46, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Proposed move

Votes and comments on proposed move to Garbage:

• Oppose the proposed move. The vast majority of readers entering "Garbage" in the search box will be looking for Waste, not this band. Right now Garbage is a dab page. It would probably make sense to move the pages the other way, with Garbage made into a redirect to Waste, and a note at the top of Waste linking to Garbage (band). JamesMLane 12:49, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
• Support. There is only one Wikipeida article titled, "Garbage", so there's no need to turn it into a disambiguation page. The former system, with a link at the top to "waste", worked for a year and a half. Barring this, I would like JamesMLane's system. But it's foolish to have "Garbage" as a disambiguation page when there's only one article with that title. Acegikmo1 21:09, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose the proposed move. Garbage should be a redirect to Waste (prefered choice), or a disambiguation page. BlankVerse ∅ 11:49, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose. The band is not the primary meaning of the term. Redirect garbage rather than disambiguating it. -Sean Curtin 04:45, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose JayKeaton 07:17, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Good work

I came here from the Bow Wow Wow page and I wish someone could do as good a job with that band as folks have done with this one. A world of difference.--Anchoress 08:09, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Featured Music Project evaluation

Garbage (band) has been evaluated according to the Featured Music Project criteria, most recently affirmed as of this revision. The article's most important issues are listed below. Since this evaluation, the article may have been improved.

The following areas need work to meet the criteria: Lead - Comprehensiveness - Pictures - Audio - References - Format/Style

The space below is for limited discussion on this article's prospects as a featured article candidate. Please take conversations to the article talk page.

• Lead: Needs to summarize article
• Comprehensiveness: Just seems generally very skimpy
• Pictures: Needs fair use rationale, more pics
• Audio: Meeds sound samples
• References: Inline citations, more references, esp. scholarly/print
• Format/Style: Move discography down and remove some of the discog. subsections, trim see alsos/external links

Pick a verb tense and stick to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.19.14.18 (talk) 03:33, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Speculation?

The band isn't officially on hiatus during 2005-2006. I see no source quoted and the band even denies this. This second paragraph should probably be removed.

It has been removed. It was both inaccurate and incomplete to say the least.

Why do you think there's a greatest hits album? (It's driving me crazy)

The greatest hits album has not been confirmed by the band or by the record company, so it should only be seen as speculative. The tone in the lead says it's coming, and there is no cautionary information later in the article about it. So... hmmmm. Someone should get a reliable source on this by calling Warner Bros.

http://www.timewarner.com/corp/newsroom/contacts_resources.html

Warner Bros. Entertainment Public Media Relations Contact:

Susan Fleishman Phone 818.954.1919

Get the answers. If they deny, then they deny. Nothing else we can do unless we have band contact. We need to get this settled because right now the credibility of this article is not so great.

GURoadrunner

If the article contains something that cannot easily be verified, then it is simple: this must be removed from the article. It should not contain unconfirmed speculation. If any press have reported this speculation, we can quote them as that. Notinasnaid 19:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

More... it would not be correct for someone to contact TimeWarner to confirm this. That would be classed as "original research", which is forbidden. And there would be no way for another editor to confirm that this conversation took place. Everything in Wikipedia must be based on published sources. No source: no article. Yes, many articles break the rules, but eventually everything will catch up. Notinasnaid 19:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree that primary sources are forbidden, but they should be used with caution. The issue here is that Wikipedia should not be a crystal ball speculating about the future. We discussed this over at Talk:Sufjan Stevens (and really, what Garbage fan isn't a fan of his?) regarding what he's announced about future albums, and agreed that publishing what news media report is not speculative. Right now the article says "the band has confirmed" (w/o a source) and also "all of this has yet to be confirmed", so it doesn't even agree with itself. If NME or Pitchfork or whomever puts in a blurb that "Rumor has it that Garbage will release an album", then it's perfectly OK for us to report that. I'd like to see a source for those statements, though.

Guroadrunner, if you have issues with the credibility of the article, please let us know what they are so that we can fix them. --Dhartung | Talk 00:27, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Removing images from discography

I believe that Category:Music_cleanup:_Images insists that fair use images may not be used in discographies. Can anyone argue that for this article, this does not apply, before the images are indeed removed? Notinasnaid 09:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know much about the "fair use" in the discography policy, but I "fixed" it. Well, I turned it into a table without any pictures. I personally prefer the images (it adds color), but I'd understand why such images would be against "fair use". After all, how many people would pay the $200+ for the Talking Head's album "Speaking In Tongues" for the Rauschenberg original if you could just go online and move it around? I put my free time to use and turned it into a table. If it is what wikipedia deems "productive" I'm happy.-- ¢² Connor K.   00:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

PBS Soundstage performance

I'm not sure how/where to add it to the article, but I caught on U.S. Public Broadcasting's show "Soundstage" what I found to be a quite good television broadcast of a Chicago performance. If it follows the trend of other "Soundstage" productions, it may become available as a DVD sometime after the 2006 season.

http://www.pbs.org/wttw/soundstage/garbage/featured.htm

Who writes this Garbage?

"Known publicly as an experimental group, Garbage used their powerful videos to distort the dimensions of their songs." Does any part of that sentence make any sense? The answer is no.

Oldpantsnewjersey

I'm taking it out. Minus Push It, none of their videos are all that extraordinary and Garbage, from everything I've heard and read, isn't considered an experimental group. Jonas.E.B. 09:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Repetition of sentences

Two chunks of this article are repeated from the intro. They are repeated in the career section. If there is nothing interesting to add then at least change the sentences, but repeating is not a good idea.62.2.236.130 13:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

References

At the risk of being inflammatory, I've tagged this article for needing work on its references. 17 citations for an article of this size is completely insufficient, especially for a GA article. At least every paragraph should have a reference, ideally every sentence/new thought. Also, it would be nice if the citations were standardized using some kind of citation template. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask them here or on my talk page. Drewcifer3000 21:40, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Good article review

For these reasons and a few others, I've listed this article for a Good article review. Feel free to add any comments here or on the review page. Drewcifer3000 15:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Per consensus reached here, the article has been delisted. Giggy ^Talk 00:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Article re-write

Okay, I've finally started on this page. I'm going to carefully go through all aspects of Garbage's career over the next week. So far I've done prior and history up to the release of "Vow".

I'll be adding quotes, pictures and hopefully some ogg. clips - "Stupid Girl", "Special", "Cherry Lips", "Why Do You Love Me" and "Tell me Where It Hurts" being obvious and notable songs to include. I will be adding sources to everything. I'm going to rewrite the awards and certifications section, I've removed it for now (Ive saved it elsewhere), and will rewrite the Hiatus/Greatest Hits sections so they don't suffer recentism. Breakinguptheguy (talk) 19:43, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Certificates are offtopic and album images are not to be used in people's articles. Three ogg.s are enough per {{non-free}}. Vikrant 09:05, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I would like to help improve this article back to GA status. What do you need help with? I have their "Behind the Music" episode on videotape if some quotes would be helpful and for fact checking. I have followed most of their career. Royalbroil 15:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

fansites... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0803053/fullcredits http://www.garbage.suite.dk/ Garbage. Proboards60.com GarbageDiscoBox.com. Yahoo! News.

Um, fansites and forums should not be used to reference facts. I'll try to source some "citations needed" and read through of the article. Royalbroil 02:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

The ones I used above are being used currently. Can your tape replace them? Ultra! 16:02, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand your post. Anyhow, I reviewed the citations from the fansites and forums and found out that I was wrong. The fansites and forums contain reprints/scans of appropriate reliable sources, so using them in citations are appropriate. I remove my objection. Royalbroil 23:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

(!indent) I removed an unsupported sentence from the article. Garbage was sued for copyright infringement over "I Think I'm Paranoid". I removed it because there was no context, and no follow up - basically, all of the who/what/when/where/why was missing, and to me it made more sense to omit the information that raise unanswered questions on a tangental point. I added this here because I didn't want to bump the GA info below.