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Removed paragraph....[edit]

I have removed the following paragraph:

Russell Crowe’s portrayed a gay man in Geoff Burton’s The Sum of Us and Home Improvement’s Jonathan Taylor Thomas, 3rd Rock From The Sun’s Joseph Gordon-Levitt and 7th Heaven’s David Gallagher had gay roles in Nickolas Perry’s Speedway Junky, Gregg Araki’s Mysterious Skin & C. Jay Cox's Latter Days, and Duncan Roy’s The Picture Of Dorian Gray, respectively. In no small part, due to all of these films and the mainstream success of Ang Lee's Brokeback Mountain, it's now becoming more acceptable for heterosexual males to play gay males on film.

While I have no compunctions about researched entries in this article - these inclusions seem willy-nilly and POV. If you are going to simply include a list of straight actors who have performed in "gay themed" films, that would be a very long list. Also, many of the films mentioned were hardly "mainstream" and/or highly watched - it seems to me to merely be a Wiki editor's top picks for inclusion in the article and not reflective of more popular "gay themed" films. Who thinks Jonathan Taylor Thomas's portrayal in film was that well known and worthy of mention in this article? I can certainly think of dozens of other well known films with heterosexual actors portraying gay characters.

Lastly, In no small part, due to all of these films and the mainstream success of Ang Lee's Brokeback Mountain, it's now becoming more acceptable for heterosexual males to play gay males on film. Seems to be riddled with weasel words and POV. ExRat 02:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

re: Removed paragraph....[edit]

The author never said the list was comprehensive. It was just a little list which could have grown into a bigger list with time and contributions from others. "Gay for Pay" roles certainly exist outside the "gay themed" film genre; I really don't think it's right to remove a movie from a section about "gay for pay" just because the movie isn't gay themed. --Vittlebog 05:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clark Gable[edit]

I'm removing the blurb about Clark Gable; Reuters describes the book's allegations as completely unsourced. Cap'n Walker 16:25, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Zeb Atlas removal[edit]

I'm removing Zeb Atlas from this article. Originally, it said he was straight but does gay porn for money. However, on his myspace page or somewhere like that, he identifies himself as bisexual. 143.228.129.9 (talk) 16:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)chumley41 jcm 3/18/9[reply]

Mainstream movies[edit]

I have never seen "gay for pay" used in conjunction with mainstream actors - only porno actors. --Fredrick day (talk) 11:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The usage has been transferred as gay roles have become more mainstream and bigger name actors take "gay" roles. Benji boi 11:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Transferred where? I can see one reference to it in the article, which seems to be the lynchpin the section is based upon. --Fredrick day (talk) 12:04, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. The etymology should be researched and noted and the article adjusted accordingly. I know it's been used for both as I've read articles about both mainstream and pornography actors being gay for pay. Benji boi 12:40, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

legal issues[edit]

Question: Legal Issues

I was wondering if paying people to perform sex acts(prostitution, the 'victimless crime') which they do not like to do(victim?) --see the Tyra Banks episode-- could be construed as prostitution? Are there legal objections anywhere? I googled, but found nothing. If anyone knows where to look, this would probably help. If I am off base or just sounding a non-alarm, say so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.167.162.183 (talk) 04:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Source needed[edit]

I've tagged the passage "most Hollywood actors avoided playing homosexual or transgender characters for fear of being identified too closely with the characters they played" (pre-Philadelphia) to indicate that a source is needed. (A), I can think of a lot of exceptions to this rule, going at least as far back as Peter Lorre's obviously gay character in The Maltese Falcon. (B), if there weren't many such depictions, it still doesn't necessarily mean that actors were avoiding them - equally, or probably more, likely is that they simply weren't written. Barnabypage (talk) 18:00, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Psychological Impact[edit]

The information in the psychological impact section is pure psychodynamic (Freudian) speculation with no evidence or data to back it up. Recommend removing it or rewording it so that it is clear that this is simply one theory of reasons why straight men may participate in gay pornography. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.68.249.150 (talk) 17:16, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

re. Psychological Impact[edit]

I agree. That particular part in the article is like reading sensationalist yellow journalism. True or not, as you said there is no data nor evidence, and it is heavily slanted. I'm very much Pro LGBT but whoever wrote that clearly does not understand Wikipedia's policy of neutrality. Anyone care to edit it? It doesn't even really come on base to the rest of the article's content. To the average person they're reading an article, then one gets to that and bam, we're at a rally.Jochanhelix (talk) 19:27, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Generalizations about "most" gay people[edit]

The statement "as in most gay male settings, the young, the muscular, and the unfamiliar are more sought" is based on opinion, not research. The author (William Leap) is not in most gay male settings (no one is), and regardless of his academic credentials cannot support the statement ethnographically. Gay male settings can differ dramatically--for instance, gay bears and their fans prefer older hairy men with big guts--and no one type or style predominates. I'm not sure what "the unfamiliar" is referring to. As for "young and muscular," that is certainly appealing to some gay men, but "most"? Not true at all. Hifrommike65 8:55, 17 December 2017 (CST)

Women[edit]

Apparently, women do not portray gay characters or have gay sex for money. :o

Seriously though, there is absolutely zero mention of women in the article, even though being "lesbian-for-pay" is super prevalent in pornography, for example. There's a wealth of interesting questions concerning culture and differences between genders here. Other articles on homosexuality do a good job at that - why not this one?

I was even more surprised that almost no one had brought this up on the talk page either. There is a passing mention that girl-girl sex in porn shouldn't be considered gay-for-pay because it's so common, which is just ridiculous. 80.220.169.107 (talk) 13:47, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Gender/transgender[edit]

Article could include references to adult/sex industry workers who are non-binary or transgender. References are only made to male/female RainbowWikiWarrior (talk) 08:56, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]