Talk:Ghiyath al-Din Tughluq

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Sources[edit]

This story does not cite any individual sources. Also, speculative sentences such as, "brave men", etc. should be avoided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hijinxs1 (talk • contribs) 19:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Do you think they mean Delhi Sultanate? --Wetman 6 July 2005 07:55 (UTC)

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his mother was jat king daughter[edit]

why this fact has been excluded that he is born of a jat lady, so many references are available. seems some hidden propaganda of jat boys who continuously try to hide the truth, not only this their were akbari and jehangiri jats all give their daughters122.161.78.118 (talk) 03:19, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Only Ferishta says this, and he is not a contemporary source. He wrote this centuries after. OperativePhase33 (talk) 19:57, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Native (Possibly Jatt) Origin?[edit]

We should consider that the sources by Ibn Battuta and Afif were composed after the dynasty established a source of “Islamic” political legitimacy (usually meaning attaching themselves to foreign ancestry).

Meanwhile, the source from the beginning of the dynasty (a quote from Ghazi Malik, who would be more preoccupied with consolidating actual control than spinning a narrative) only says he is of no noble origins ("awara mard").

While, yes, you are right to argue that this doesn’t point to Jatt origins, it’s worth asking why a nobody would garner so much support from the Jatts of the Punjab? Why would the local chiefs marry their daughters to a random immigrant? I’m sure a foreigner could learn to love Depalpur, but why would the local Jatts flock to his banner?

We know that fabricated (or in this case, vague) ancestral claims were done the world over.

Look at the ("Arab") Sayyid dynasty, who were likely Bhatti Rajputs or Khokhars. Or the ("Afghan") Gujarati Muzaffarids, who were likely Khatris or Tankas. Or the ("Sayyid") Mysore Sultans, who literally had contemporary sources mention their Sipra Jatt origins, but still allowed narratives of Arab ancestry to be spread around.

That’s why people take Amir Khusrau’s vagueness to imply Jatt origins. OperativePhase33 (talk) 20:09, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]