Talk:Gramos

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Location Map[edit]

User Kedadi replaced the Greek location map with one of Albania citing an online map that placed the mountain in Albania. The mountain is on the borders between the two countries.

Several Greek hiking maps(this is one of the most detailed I could find, yet the albanian side of the borders is entirely blank) (including the one from "anavasi" I used to ascent to the mountain) clearly state that the peak (2520m) is in the Greek side of the mountain, albeit very close to the borders. I couldn't find any albanian detailed maps of the mountain to cross-examine that and verify whether there is a conflict between mapping agencies or that Kedadi cited an unreliable source.

I reverted his edit and tried to replace the location map with one of the balkans that seemed more appropriate for an international mountain, but the coordinates seem to be wrong as well and the mountain was pinned somewhere in the Libyan see. As a result I left it without a map.

Any user from Albania that could possibly help and check albanian-issued maps?Kkostagiannis (talk) 05:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

History relevance[edit]

The relevance of the information in the history section has been questioned. I dare say, if this historical information is not relevant to the history of the mountain, then the civil war is irrelevant to American history, and WWI is irrelevant European history. La de da. Fine history you have there. It is not our place to clean up history. If we did there would not be any. We don't call non-probematic life "history" or even record it. We do need refs there so I am changing the tags.Botteville (talk) 16:37, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Peak[edit]

The peak (2,520m Tsouka P.) is found on the Greek side of the border (precise coordinates: [[1]], [[2]]) it's certainly near the Greek-Albanian borderline but it's on the Greek side though. As such a move to the Albanian name can't be justified under this context.Alexikoua (talk) 02:08, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed that for an unexplained reason the infobox map points c. 2kms to SW (that's a deep creek not a mountain peak). This is obviously misleading.Alexikoua (talk) 02:17, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your past history of interpreting coordinates and maps is dubious (among other things you claimed that the Mali i Gjerë mountain was partly in Greece!). Academic sources say about Gramoz/Grammos that the highest peak is excatly on the border, not only in Greece. Ktrimi991 (talk) 12:54, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(ignore wp:NPA vio tendency) As I've presented above googlemaps and geohack show that it's on the Greek side of the border.Alexikoua (talk) 00:54, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]