Talk:Greek cruiser Georgios Averof

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A question[edit]

What about the use of "she" instead of the "it"?--Littlejohn53 11:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think because it would sound strange to use "she" for a ship with a male name (George). --Kimon 16:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But this article is in English wikipedia, we must obey the rules of english language. So while in english all the ships refered as female we must use "she" regardless of male or female name, meanwhile and HMS King George V refered as "she".Pmoshs 12:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)pmoschs[reply]

I agree. I was just responding as to why the original editor chose the masculine. --Kimontalk 22:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Use of Photos[edit]

Why photos in PD in Greece removed?

Acording to Greek Law 2121 of 1993 (Government's Gazette 25 A 1993) about Copyright declares: Article 2 5. The protection of present law is not extended in official texts with that are expressed the exercise of constitutional competence and same in legislatively, administrative or juridicial texts, as well as in the expressions of popular delivery, in the news and in the simple events or data.

Article 25 Use for reasons of information 1. It is allowed, without the authorisation of author and without wage in the measure that is justified by the sought aim: a) the reproduction and the distribution in the public, for reasons of description of topical events with means of mass communication of work, that are seen or heard at the duration such event b) the reproduction and the distribution in the public with means of mass communication to the aim of briefing on topical events of political reasons, addresses, preachings, judicial allocutions or other work of similar nature, as well as summaries or extracts from lectures, provided that this work is presented in public. 2. The reproduction and the distribution in the public should, when this is possible, be accompanied from the clue of source and the name of author.

So I thing that tere is not Copyright for photos fropm Official Greek archives (presented in public), publicity staff of Greek State authorities and for reasons of information (as wikipedia is).Pmoshs 14:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that Wikipedia is sited in Florida in the United States and must adhere (with respect to Greek photos) to both US and Greek copyright law. In the United States, anything published before 1923 in the U.S. is in the public domain. For anything published later, with only a few execptions, photos are not in the PD until (in some cases) 120 years after creation. See United States copyright law. I am also frustrated with this, as Greek law is much more open than U.S. law, but there it is. Argos'Dad 22:15, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't make sense as an explanation. Florida law has no jurisdiction over the determination of copyright in Greece. If the Greek state considers one of its own photos to be unprotected, Florida cannot say otherwise. NipsonAnomimata (talk) 20:51, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As a general rule, works created by the federal government of the USA are not copyrightable. 17 U.S.C. § 105.Santamoly (talk) 03:40, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Naval Flag[edit]

Shouldn't the flag have a crown in it as the ship saw duty while Greece was a kingdom? I'm not at all familiar with the Greek naval flags but, if I'm not mistaken, all flags during the history of the Kingdom of Greece had a crown somewhere. --Kimontalk 22:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct, Kimonandreou, the Naval Jack of the Royal Hellenic Navy (1832-1924) and (1935-1973/4) had a crown in the center of the cross. I can't find that image and because many ships served during both the time of the monarchy and the Hellenic Republics, we have used only the basic Jack (no crown) for all. If someone wants to make the other image, we can see how to use it, once resolve what to do with ships that served during the kingdom and republic... Argos'Dad 03:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The ensign of the Royal Hellenic Navy used until 1973 is available in Wikimedia Commons. I put here a thumbnail. Regarding Georgios Averof, it is still listed as an active service ship, so the current ensign (without the crown) is used.
Sv1xv (talk) 15:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Averof Balcan.jpg[edit]

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BetacommandBot 06:22, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Averof2.jpg[edit]

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BetacommandBot 06:23, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Averof the only remaining armored cruiser in the world?[edit]

In Philadelphia we also have a surviving armored cruiser, the Olympia, which also is quite important historically, as it was Admiral Dewey's flagship at the Battle of Manila Bay, and also brought the Unknown Soldier from France to the US after WW I. It is owned by a private society, and is out of commission, and the interior has been nicely but not completely restored, but now requires major work to the hull.

The ship is older, dating to about 1890, and does not have a secondary battery in turrets, but in barbettes. It is open to inspection, along with a WW II US submarine.

Bob Lembke

PS: I have never attempted to post anything on Wikipedia, I hope I have not violated rules, customs, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.102.63.45 (talk) 13:42, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yes, USS Olympia is a smaller and somewhat older ship in the same general category (a protected cruiser, while the Averof is an armored cruiser). Another surviving ship of the period is the infamous Aurora of the Russian Navy, which is preserved in Saint Petersburg, Russia. SV1XV (talk) 16:04, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
 I wish to submit my recollection of the events at Port-Said,and the mutiny of the SS/Averoff of the Greek Hellenic Navy.

I was a thirteen year old at the time living at Port-Said where my father was engaged with the Royal Engineers. The ss.Averoff was birthed at the Port Fuad side of the Suez Canal,and about 500 yards from the quay on the other side of Port-Said. Some of the complement of the ship were on shore leave,when they began looking for accomodation that was available at the time. Word quyickly went around the town that Port-Said was in dire danger of being bombarded by the SS.Averoff. The ship had her guns pointed directly at Port-Said,and I had a clear view from my aunt's balcony,facing the canal and at a short distance. There followed intense meetings with government officials and hierarchy of the Greek Orthodox Church.At the same time two British warships arrived at night and boxed-in the SS.Averoff.On each side of her and their guns turned towards the Averoff.The meetings and diplomatic exchange went on for two days at the end of which,the mutineers surrendered.They were duly brought ashore,where the Greeks of Port-Said forced them to run a gauntlet,of insults and physical torment. Thankfully the British Royal Navy came to the rescue of Port-Said.I am now eighty-five years old ,but the recollection of those days ,is as clear as if it was happening today.I cannot recall the names of the two British cruisers,that took a hand in this debacle in 1944. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.161.136.164 (talk) 04:44, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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