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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Grizzly Flats Railroad, owned by Disney animator Ward Kimball, was the first full-size backyard railroad in the United States?

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: RickyCourtney (talk · contribs) 07:33, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! I will be reviewing this article over the next few days. --RickyCourtney (talk) 07:33, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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2. Verifiable with no original research:
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	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Sources look good but without access to the physical books, it’s impossible to double check on this point.
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6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	The fair use image, while a very good illustrative image, lacks a good source. I feel like we need to know who the photographer is. @RickyCourtney: The image in question has been replaced by a different image on Wikimedia Commons. Jackdude101 ^talk ^cont 14:30, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply] Looks good, thanks. --RickyCourtney (talk) 18:51, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Images are relevant and have good captions.
	7. Overall assessment.	Pass - Article looks good, as a native Southern Californian, a railfan and a fan of the Disney theme parks, this was a facinating read. I never knew about this facinating bit of history. One item for editors to keep an eye on the developments on the Justi Creek Railway page. It appears that the depot building and water tower may have been destroyed by the October 2017 Northern California wildfires. At this point, it seems a better source needs to be cited before including that information on this page. --RickyCourtney (talk) 18:53, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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"Grizzly Flats"[edit]

Am curious, where did the name of "Grizzly Flats" come from?

I think the origin of the name would make an interesting addition to the entry. 2600:8800:786:A300:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 12:28, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If I recall correctly, it was named after a California ghost town of the same name. Jackdude101 ^talk ^cont 13:50, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Destroyed depot and water tower reliable source[edit]

Is there a reliable source about the water tower and depot building destroyed? I know they're all on forums and they were cited as unreliable. How about this link?: http://thundermesa.studio/2018/02/introducing-the-carolwood-grizzly-flats-railroad/ Trainsfan1331 (talk) 23:24, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Trainsfan1331: First off, thank you for bringing this up. I have had no success with finding a legit source for this piece of info, also (I fear that we are not going to find one until several years down the road when someone authors another book on the topic). The one that you found is not suitable because there is no evidence of editorial oversight. If you click on the "About the Artist" link on his blog, he describes himself as a "one man shop." There needs to be someone looking over the author's shoulder (chief editor, publisher, etc.) in order for it to be considered a quality source. Most online sources like this one will have an About section that will typically indicate whether it's a one-man effort or a team effort. Jackdude101 ^talk ^cont 01:22, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see, thank you. :( Trainsfan1331 (talk) 02:41, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Possible correction to system diagram[edit]

The system diagram notes a "Roundhouse" but the building shown in the picture is pretty clearly not a roundhouse (which would normally be built around a turntable, a feature that doesn't appear to be included on this line). The building is an enginehouse, definitely, but not a roundhouse. 8.19.241.10 (talk) 16:14, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In American parlance, the word "roundhouse" can refer to any locomotive storage facility (especially those used by steam locomotives) regardless of shape. Jackdude101 ^talk ^cont 16:42, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Emma Nevada locomotive's last run in the 1950s or 60s?[edit]

Okay, from what I understand is that Ward Kimball stopped operating his Emma Nevada locomotive due to his neighbors' complaining about the coal smoke it created. According to multiple news and articles, the Emma Nevada last ran in the 1950s or 60s. My guess is the 60s, because I've seen 1960s photos of it running despite Kimball's neighbors' criticism. I'm just curious. Trainsfan1331 (talk) 14:13, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]