Talk:Gunnar Kaiser

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Manipulated PR Article[edit]

The only thing Kaiser is known for is for beeing part of the far right you tube bubble. He is part of the most extrem network in german you tube. He did public talks with many of them. He did videos with

Martin Sellner Terror suspect
he id promotion videos vor his friend and Idol Oliver Janich witch wants to hang most

of the german administration.

He is in good friendship to "die vulgäre Analyse" Shlomo Finkelstein and did many Videos with him. He is also more then far right.

Also he is in good connection to

Hyperion (AfD politican)
Schattenmacher (eugenics)
Idiotenwatch (far right)
Ken Jebsen (far right and conspiracy theorist)
Miro Wolfsfeld (Neue Rechte Identitarian movement
Charles Krüger (far right and conspiracy theorist)

And this is just some of them. The only thing Kaiser is known for is to make videos with this kind of people. His friends. Also he worked for EF Magazin (eigentümlich frei). The Magazin is watched by the germen Secret Service becuause of the extremist wrtiers and connections to far right extremists. The only normal thing Kaiser did in the last 15-20 Years is to write one single fictional book. And thats why FNF chanceled him. Because like in this PR aticle he told them a lot of stuff witch sounds nice but has no foundation. But didnt tell them what he is realy doing. They did some research and found out JUST A SMALL PART of what he is realy doing. He also appeared in the FNF Video as a doctor? Noone ever heared this befor or later! Its illigal to do that if its not true. And I am quite sure he would post it everywhere if it would be true. He is well known for his huge ego. He told the FNF he is a Dr. a Journlist of the NZZ and a writer. Nothing of this is true. He is no Dr., he is no Journalist and he never worked for the NZZ. Also he is no real writer. 1 Lovestory in 50 years dosent make you a writer. There is absolutly no reason for this article. To write a single book is by far not enough to be notable at all. He is a Teacher with a Alex Jones YT Chanel. The only thing he is notabl is beeing part of a very very extrem youtube network. Dcddiegxo1e3d (talk) 01:01, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

»part of the most extrem network in german you tube«

This is horseshit. Kaiser is known for publicly talking to many people, among them also people of the political right. That doesn't make him part of a right-wing »network« - unless you apply a guilt-by-association. I know that German Wikipedia is ideology-ridden beyond repair, but perhaps I have to learn that the english-speaking world likes this german import merchandise, too. I take it from the spelling that you're a german salesman yourself. Ijuedt (talk) 16:18, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Political affiliation with the right-wing movement[edit]

I don't think there are enough sources to back up the claim that Gunnar is a right-wing activists. Someone has already removed some lines regarding his political standpoint. I'd also like to remove the line that subsumes Ken Jebsen under the term "extreme right". Despite him being controversial I couldn't find a source for this claim, not even on his own wikipedia page. Even though it isn't forbidden is there a source outside of Spiegel+ to put Idiotenwatch and the Vulgäre Analyse under this term as well. So that people without a Spiegel+ subscription can verify that claim. --Nico Snerheb (talk) 19:32, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to kindly remind some participants on WP that certain contents, judgements and assessments can be the subject of defamation claims, that WP is committed to a high ethical and juridical standard as to the protection of personality rights, and that articles should not be a venue for political directional battles.--Gabel1960 (talk) 02:00, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

refering to: Editing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gunnar Kaiser (2nd nomination)[edit]

I am refering to the following page (with the remark to discuss it here)

original critics ":: He is not a comidian. His "show" was infront of 10 People. He is not a writer. He is nearly 50 years old and wrote just one single book a few months ago. He is not a journalist. He is a very controversial YouTuber out of an extrem right bubble. Thats the only thing he is known for. 1 Book = not notabl, 5 articles in newspaper = no journalist = not notabl, a "show" with 10 people in the audiance = not notabl. The only stuff witch is a bit notabl is highly controversial you tube stuff. Thats why his German home Wikipedia deleted his the page just in 2020 4 times! "

Notability[edit]

I have trouble finding sources in English about Kaiser. This may indicate a lack of notability, although the article seems to have passed AfD in December 2020. —Paleo Neonate – 04:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kaiser is not well-known as a German comedian. He is only notorious for his right-Wing disinformation YouTube channel like Boris Reitschuster (de:Boris Reitschuster), but Gunnar Kaiser didn't work as a guest journalist, but only wrote guest comments. --91.20.9.97 (talk) 06:52, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

the style how Gunnar Kaiser is critized is just a justification of his theses[edit]

the argues for deletion mentioned here are NOT verifiable in terms of Encyclopedic content; read the following remarks, please; I have written them before and then deleted but it really seems that my comments are still required in this kind of "framing war" against Gunnar Kaiser.

first, Gunnar Kaiser is born 1976, meaning is 44 now - this is "almost 50" ???

second; there is more than one book: see "letzte gedichte: und andere gedichte" , please also see ^[1]

third, Gunnar Kaiser comes from the left corner of the policcal spectrum; the only reason why he is considered as right-winged now is that he really dared to keep his own critical opinion and also performed interviews with people that were not of the left winged spectrum - what seems to be reason enough to call himself "very controversial YouTuber out of an extrem right bubble" - as a consequence, there is the urgent need to keep a more neutral position on him

further, where is the source, that the audience consisted of "only 10 people" - was there only ONE show? and if there was really one show with this number, maybe due to corona?

regarding his show please see the link https://www.main-spitze.de/lokales/kreis-gross-gerau/ruesselsheim/philosophische-stand-up-comedy-in-russelsheim_20612528

"Thats why his German home Wikipedia deleted his the page just in 2020 4 times!" The point is, that the very beaurocratic German Wikipedia does not even allow a discussion on deletion; I tried it as a newbie in this field (indeed I became active because I missed a German article on Kaiser) - this was ignored with the argue "no way - we don't want to have a discussion every week" - without even listening to my argues - so much to free opinion and transparent discussions in German Wikipedia :(

summary: the complete style how Kaiser is defamed is the very best argue to look very critical on the insults against Kaiser and to keep the Wikipedia entry of this critical political mind. Cheers.

Prinzvonzavelstein (talk) 22:46, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nice April Fools' Day joke. --91.20.9.97 (talk) 06:47, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.amazon.de/s?k=gunnar+kaiser&__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

Looking for better sources[edit]

Looking for science-based sources on his fringe claims: [1] Fact check by the Science Cops (German). --Hob Gadling (talk) 19:54, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Life"[edit]

The entire article is pure defamation, but this is no wonder and had to be expected. I'm not opposed to that (would be useless anyway), but this sentence strikes: "He published videos with well-known leaders of the "neue Rechte", such as (...) Shlomo Finkelstein, Schattenmacher and Daniele Ganser." Since when is any of these persons a "leader" (or where have they been assigned so)? It is (probably) okay for WP nowadays to smear people, but smearing dead people by smearing living people should be limited to certain amounts. Otherwise WP is discrediting itself. --- 88.217.28.174 (talk) 21:54, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Whitewashing"[edit]

This edit I reverted introduced these changes:

Add the unsourced sentence In 2014, the teacher Kaiser started his activism in the anti-American extreme left movement. He was part of the "Mahnwachen für den Frieden" and supported Vladimir Putin in the first Ukraine conflict
His Videos and Blogs instead of His videos and blogs Those words are capitalized in German but not in English.
conspirasy A typo.
Today Kaiser works at In August he did. Now he is dead.
the German counterpart to the FBI No, it isn't. Some Wikipedian thought it was.

All of those made the article worse. If the first five changes make the article worse, reverting is correct, no matter what other changes there are. Try again and be more careful. --Hob Gadling (talk) 06:52, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.amazon.de/s?k=gunnar+kaiser&__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

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