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Mont Venoux[edit]

Shouldn't this be Mont Ventoux?

Notability[edit]

the Guy page should not be deleted as he is a top road racer and other top road racers have wikipedia pages so Guys should not be deleted and his fan base is growing quickly due to his superb racing style and results over the past 2 seasons. i would like to say it is all my ow words as the words i took from the bebo page were wrote by myself

also if it is up for deletion due to the bebo link i will delete the link - == Copyright status of Guy Martin == Please do not post copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder, as you did to Guy Martin. For legal reasons, we will delete copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites (http://www.bebo.com/TheCarrotCruncher in this case) or from printed material.

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Otherwise, you are encouraged to rewrite this article in your own original words to avoid any copyright infringement. Thank you. Snifty 16:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snifty (talk • contribs) 16:20, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i have re written the first paragraph which i copied from bebo so will the speedy deletion notice be removed now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snifty (talk • contribs) 16:31, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What must I do now?[edit]

i have replaced all text compied from the bebo page so what must i do now or what happens now?Snifty 16:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Snifty. The article is on fine start now. My advice is some rewrites here and there with the grammar/spelling/periods etc. Check out the tips on your user page(not that you are recently "new" to wikipedia).Alareiks 01:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Im glad Guy has a page now, some snide person deleted what i wrote, though it was inferior to this.Minarelli 23:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tone[edit]

Could someone please explain to Spoilydoily why the addition I reverted was inappropriately casual, as they are refusing to take it from me? Katharineamy (talk) 12:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I hope someone can explain this to me. As I see this article, it is very 'listy' and unreferenced, and doesn't give a picture of why Guy's fans like him and which, in a way, reflects his notability. All I wanted to get over were the facts, that everyone who knows anything about roadracing and GM knows he is a 'character'. Whenever anyone on the BBC wants a roadracer soundbite they get GM on, because he's good value for money. He's well liked, hard as nails and a straight talker. That is what I meant by 'character'. Now, what is wrong with that? Similarly, anyone who knows of him will affirm his immense capacity for Twinings Earl Grey tea, likewise his massive sideburns. I don't see anything wrong with putting physical and character 'good points' in an encyclopaedic description of someone. Least of all was my tone 'casual'. Ah well, I'll leave it to the clever editors now, as they seem to know everything. Personally I think the page needs a re-writeSpoilydoily (talk) 16:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Had a go, but please feel free to improve it--Badgernet Talk 16:13, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm hardly likely to add any more to it seeing as you agreed with Katharineamy that my initial contributions were trivial and unwanted (her words). I know when I'm beat, mate.Spoilydoily (talk) 14:10, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, I never used the word "unwanted", and everything I said is right on Spoilydoily's talk page. Katharineamy (talk) 14:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"I'm sorry, but what you added really wasn't relevant, or in the appropriate tone, for an encyclopedia article. We don't need to know how much tea he drinks or about the size of his sideburns.". You are right, you did not say "unwanted". "Really wasn't relevant" implies the same. Editors like you put other editors off ever getting involved. I recant; you REALLY do know it all. End of debate.Spoilydoily (talk) 14:54, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please see here where it states that tone should always remain formal, impersonal, and dispassionate. Also check out Wikipedia's policy on Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Information must be presented neutrally in a straightforward factual manner, with reference to reliable published sources. From that information readers can make their own characterisations of a person, organization, etc.

Making explicit characterisations in any article that are not neutral and do not reference sources may cause readers unfamiliar with the subject to become sceptical at any such statements.

Best Wishes, --Badgernet Talk 15:18, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We've gone full circle now...In my first statement I mentioned most of the article is unreferenced. By your rationale then anyone who reads any of this article will become sceptical. You're right...I'll butt out. CheersSpoilydoily (talk) 19:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2011 World Sheepdog Trials[edit]

There are various preview articles online from 2011 that say Martin was to co-present the 2011 World Sheepdog Trials series for More 4 (with Ellie Harrison as the main presenter). I know the programme went ahead, but did he actually appear? --Walnuts go kapow (talk) 17:19, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

an 18th-century train driver's pocket watch?[edit]

This is dubious at best. The first locomotives appeared around 1802, after the 18th century. Or did we mean an 18th-century pocket watch owned by a train driver from a later period? Chris the speller yack 17:03, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

and repairs a century-old train driver's pocket watch using washers just 1mm wide - so a watch from roughly circa 1812.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 22:21, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Now I've managed to grab six hours sleep, I found the diff, as I expected, from a now-blocked WP:SPA, Deering 50, one in a large series of name-hoppers (I'm seeing Australia - I've got an American following me around WP:HOUNDing who resents me stating nationalities and is trying to make a big deal of it). One of the blocking admins 'hid' the background to the block by requesting no tags and I only found it by chance and date-searching the admin's worklist.

I tried to engage with Deering 50 at the talk page but it was clear this was an experienced editor not making newbie mistakes; the dedicated {{spa}} massively engorged this article with cruft and would not desist, so I eventually took it off my watchlist, as I regularly do with POV-pushers. This article needs a substantial precis, and I am pleased an admin tagged it as too long. I've re-instated the other tags I added, didn't know that Deering 50 had removed them until recently.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 14:02, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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References[edit]

Please add my reference properly, I'm no expert, just learning. Also, of interest the pub in a Guy Martin's home village of Kirmington, Lincolnshire has been bought by him to save the village amenity and is being managed by his sister, Sally. Perhaps you could add this? LJ Ray Sutton Bridge (talk) 01:37, 15 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Semperito (talk) 12:36, 15 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks LJ Ray Sutton Bridge (talk) 12:57, 15 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You're velcome...(it's from a Benny Hill skit) Semperito (talk) 13:06, 15 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Our Guy in Russia[edit]

Guy Martin has recently release a TV series on Channel 4 (UK) called "Our Guy in Russia" which needs adding to his filmography.

I'm too lazy to do it myself so I'm making you all aware of it here.

 Done Fbpark (talk) 17:36, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Incidentally, although part of the same series, the third episode is actually titled "Our Guy in Chernobyl" (because Chernobyl is in Ukraine, not Russia). Some of the publicity failed to make this distinction, but it was made on screen. --Walnuts go kapow (talk) 17:45, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Split[edit]

Consensus was that article size needs to be reduced but that it is better handled via trimming than a split. -2pou (talk) 02:02, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Currently the readable prose size of this article is ~125kB. As a rule of thumb articles with a readable prose size >100kB should be split up (see Wikipedia:Article size § Size guideline). I suggest that the film and television section is split to create Guy Martin filmography and separate articles are created for his notable works (eg: Speed with Guy Martin) with episode summaries on those pages rather than being included on Guy Martin or Guy Martin filmography. This would make the RPS of Guy Martin ~100kB, which is still too long but makes the article much easier to navigate. A separate article could also be created for his motorcycle racing career. Fbpark (talk) 10:48, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Much easier just to remove all the irrelevant information in this article. It's such a mess. Who cares that he eats cod liver oil but he suspects it might be a placebo? Or that his sister runs the local pub? 86.171.133.211 (talk) 11:16, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your work Fbpark. This situation should never have happened. A supposed ‘new editor’ (now blocked) was compelled to massively re-write and expand, day-after-day purposely introducing much trivia and minutiae, breaching guidelines, despite advice offered when I tried to engage (31 March 2016), see this talk page section.

As required by AGF and BITE, I was tentative and respectful, but was met with confrontation and disrespect. You can see from the opening message I mentioned "...please note Wikipedia has a conflict of interest policy. It already seems that you have a keen interest in this article.", then afterwards "Normally when one (new?) editor decides to completely re-write an article, it flags up.". Clearly, these were not newbie changes. Keen to avoid warring and appearance of WP:OWNership, I deferred, eventually taking it off my watch list after adding top banners in May/June 2016. I didn’t realise until long after that the banners had been quickly deleted by the confrontational editor, then later, with no-banners, an admin added {{very long}}.

Only when I re-added the banners did I learn of the blocking, so approached the blocking admin to request reasons. You can see the initial approach, with refusal of details here, followed by my later acknowledgement due to being off-Wiki here. The admin invoked need to know Wiki-secrecy, instructing the clerk to omit reasons, but it involves an experienced Username-hopper (14 identities in the block log, but must have been more). Ultimately, though, as indicated by the IP above, all the fancruft in the Bio resulting from 159 edits from a {{spa}} needs sorting as the origin of the problems.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 18:18, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, I just popped in here now, and must say that this is one of the worst articles I've ever seen on wikipedia. The amount of trivia is incredible. I'm going to start working through the worst of it, mostly by just chopped obviously inappropriate text, so that we can get it down to an amount that can be worked on in a more standard fashion. Ashmoo (talk) 14:27, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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