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Suggested Corrections/Additions

"Halo 3 marketing" in the Halo series expandable bar at page bottom needs to be changed to its proper name; Iris. Also, ODST has its own ARG, Sadie's Story, which needs to be added as well. Finally, there is an ongoing five-part ODST comic, Helljumper, that needs to be added. EDIT: More missing: Halo Wars Original Soundtrack, and Halo 3: ODST Original Soundtrack. Halo: Reach belongs in "Related games;" how one can think it is part of the main trilogy is beyond me. The related games section doesn't mean "non-Bungie Halos;" it means what it says. 99.186.122.139 (talk) 04:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)Spectralancer

More Corrections

1)In the first paragraph, "a theocratic alliance of alien races that store a parasitic organisms known as the Flood", this is incorrect. The Forerunners stored a relatively small amount of Flood, but the Covenant only served in letting them back out. They were never a part of the storing ordeal. 2) I know it's a little picky, but in the "Story" section, last sentence of paragraph 2, they escaped in a Longsword Bomber, not a fighter. JSole (talk) 05:04, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

This article needs someone to clean up the grammar

Phrases such as "The Microsofts "Killer App" need to be changed... I cant be bothered... Just too lazy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.203.41.130 (talk) 05:32, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


The Movie Is Back!!!

I Just Read An Article That Says That Steven Spielburg is Reserecting The Halo Movie. Here is a Quote From it: "The recent buzz around the film industry is that Steven Spielberg has picked up a screenplay by G.I Joe writer Stuart Beattie for a new attempt at a Halo movie. Spielberg is currently reported to be negotiating a budget for the project, with figures hovering at over $100 million. With one of the most respected men in sci-fi behind this fresh take on Halo, it seems likely that Master Chief will finally see the big screen. According to IMDB the movie will be released in 2012.

While the script is based on Fall of Reach, a novel written by Eric Nyland, it is unsure whether the movie will coincide with the storyline of Bungie's final addition to the Halo franchise, Halo Reach." Dmanskater</sup>""11""</sup> (talk) 00:26, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=14605&count=0 71.233.198.166 (talk) 21:33, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

British Halo movie to be made

Wired just published an interview with the team from Operation Chastity who are going to make a Halo fan film. They're looking for funding but the art work and full sized Warthog look pretty impressive: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2009-08/13/halo-fan-seeks-%C2%A330,000-for-ultimate-fan-film.aspx http://www.wired.co.uk/photos/wired-things/2009-08/01/operation-chastity---the-halo-fan-film.aspx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.147.52 (talk) 16:28, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Halo Online?

There needs to be a mention about the cancled MMO on the "Canceled Games" section. Gamasutra has images of the project on their website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.126.207.194 (talk) 19:34, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree, Halo 2 is the reason i got xbox live, halo 3 is the reason i didnt. The halo 3 online maps blow! Halo 2 has all the traditional maps plus it was fun! Lots of maps close combat and flatplains. halo 3 only has close combat amd hilly terrain it seems. halo 2 online is not going away anytime soon i hope. --66.81.212.168 (talk) 20:57, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

What was so revolutionary?

Some mention should be made about what aspects of Halo's gameplay made it "reinvented a genre that didn't know it needed to be reinvented". Seriously, there's no mention of anything. As far as i can see, the only stuff fantastically different from previous FPS's are the grenades, shield, beat, assasinate from behind, and the only carry two weapons thing. Anything else?Drasern (talk) 08:22, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I think Halo: Combat Evolved was one of the first successful console first person shooters with online multiplayer support. As for the weapon restrictions, there have been first person shooters with similar weapon carrying restrictions at least as far back as the mid 90s. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 08:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

The Cole Protocol

Why does the article for Halo: The Cole Protocol redirect here? I can't find any discussion in any of the archives about it. It debuted on the New York Times Bestseller List at No. 4 (if I remember correctly), so I think it's more than notable. And it's been out for months and months. What gives? 24.165.150.118 (talk) 12:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Sales

There's no section on sales. There should be. 76.17.208.91 (talk) 00:37, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Halo_(series)#Reception_and_critical_response covers the info you're talking about. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 01:32, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Spelling

Gods -> gods. The term "God" refers to monotheism, "gods" to polytheism. Please change it.

Halopedia

I know an encyclopedia which is much better to use than wikipedia, it's called Halopedia, and it contains much more information surrounding Halo. I recommend it.--78.144.92.211 (talk) 10:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not only talk about Halo, which is why it is not that advanced in the Halo video game. Halopedia (www.halo.wikia.com) is focusing mainly on Halo the game, which is why "it contains much more information surrounding Halo."--Rollersox (talk) 16:37, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

No mention of cancelled Halo MMO

There is no mention of the cancelled untitled Halo MMO that was going to be developed by Ensemble studios. Someone should insert a paragraph about the MMO into the cancelled projects section. Search Halopedia for information on the cancelled game. --SCROTE (talk) 17:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

The name

What is the meaning of halo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.219.151.190 (talk) 16:01, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

"Halo" refers to the halos, megastructures that together constitute a megaweapon in the game's universe.AniRaptor2001 (talk) 18:37, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

BR55/BR55 HR battle rifle

What type of rounds/ammunition does the BR55 battle rifle and the BR55 HR battle rifle use? Thanks.--Rollersox (talk) 19:36, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Rollersox, Wikipedia is not a fan site and talk pages are not a forum. Please got to Halopedia and ask the questions. Off topic comments will be removed from here on out. Not trying to be bitey, but we do have rules. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 19:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

covenant?

what's the origins of the covenant, why were they at war? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.157.212.2 (talk) 15:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Please see the above section regarding off-topic (fan/fiction) questions. Find your answers at The Covenant entry of Halopedia Montecarlocars (talk) 09:31, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Halo Legends

I see there's a section for it now but is it important enough to get it's own page? --ShortShadow (talk) 04:09, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Machinima - Update needed

The current Red VS Blue series has now ended. THis needs changing on the Machinima section, and I am unable to do this (Orbital Drop Shock Wikipedian (talk) 16:07, 9 November 2009 (UTC))

Redirected from Pretty cool guy?

Really, it seems a little odd. Shouldn't there be either a short mention of the reason it redirects here in the actual article or an independent article for the internet meme? Wikipedia is a pretty cool guy. eh redirects weirdly and doesn't afraid of anything... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.145.78.205 (talk) 09:00, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Bob99099, 4 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} In the "Games" section I believe it should not say that the game series is still in chronological order because the release of Halo 3: ODST, and the future release of Halo Reach. The reason for this is because the information you have is outdated.

Bob99099 (talk) 01:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Can you provide a reliable source so we can update it? —fetch·comms 02:37, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Would the declaration of Halo Reach being a prequel on the official site suffice? 217.39.13.34 (talk) 13:08, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Cultural influences section: "Armor" by Robert Stately... or John Steakley?

The current issue of Edge contains a retrospective article on Halo: CE. In it, Bungie's Jaime Griesemer talks about the game's development. I've already changed this article to mention his acknowledgement of Christopher Rowley's influence on the Flood, and after posting this message here, I'm going to add his description of how the "Combat Evolved" sibtitle came about to Halo: Combat Evolved#Development.

He supports the statements in the already-referenced IGN article about the influence of Iain M Banks (specifically mentioning his Consider Phlebas) and Larry Niven (he elaborates on that, explaining that that Niven's influence was less about the Ringworld itself, and more about "that feeling of being somewhere else. That sense of scale and an epic story going on out there").

However, he also says: "One of the main sources of inspiration was Armour by Robert Stately, in which a soldier has to constantly re-live the same war over and over again. That sense of hopelessness, a relentless battle, was influential."

I wanted to add that to this article - after all, he does says it's "One of the main sources of inspiration". But Googling for it, there doesn't seem to be any such novel or short story! The closest thing I've been able to find is [http://www.amazon.com/Armor-science-fiction-John-Steakley/dp/0886773687 Armor] by John Steakley - which is a fairly similar name to Stately, so you can see how he might have got it mixed up. And from the descriptions of the plot in those Amazon reviews it does sound like the right book. But since I can't be sure, I thought I'd mention it here rather than going ahead and adding it myself. So, if this is added to the article, how should it be worded? Mentioning the "Steakley" name in the main text, and using the footnote to explain that in the Edge article itself he was mistaken about the name and said "Stately"? --Nick RTalk 18:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, that's tricky... I honestly am not sure. If it were a transposed letter I would just have put a {sic} and been done with it, but that's a pretty big jump in names (of course, it make be less Griesemer misspeaking than Edge misquoting.) Either way it's original research to suggest what he meant, so unfortunately I think we'll have to leave it out. If you haven't already, though, adding a bit about the Flood to the relevant article would be great. Thanks for the find! Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 16:34, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I've just done quite a bit of rewording of this section, after coming across Bungie's own "Guide to Sci-Fi" page - I felt that that should be the most prominently-referenced source in this section. I did end up adding that mention of Armor, partly because it was mentioned once on that Bungie page - but although I quoted Griesemer's comments in Edge, I corrected the author's name by placing it in square brackets to make my editing clear. I also split off the mention of The Escapist's Aeneid article into its own paragraph, because that one's mythology rather than science fiction. --Nick RTalk 19:09, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 84.59.63.105, 13 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Replace "Oribital Drop Shock Trooper" with "Orbital Drop Shock Trooper" -84.59.63.105 (talk) 18:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

done. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 19:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Please spell out "IP"

Under the "A sequel to Halo 3 Confirmed" section it says "...was working on a brand new IP." Please spell out IP for those who don't know what that means (me). --Yoda of Borg (talk) 22:32, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

It means "intellectual property". However the section it was in was utter bs, so I've blanked it. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 15:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Small typo

I noticed the first sentence in the third paragraph says "Strong sales of the games has led to...". It should be "Strong sales of the games have led to...", since the object of the sentence is plural. just thought you guys might appreciate a heads up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.47.244.135 (talk) 03:26, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for the notice. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 04:06, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Update?

Can we update sales/reception to put Reach in as well? Thephatphilmz (talk) 20:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

The logo in this article is horribly photoshoped. Nex Carnifex (talk) 15:46, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

references

anyone think there should be something about the references to kenya? (Voi, Zanzibar, Tasavo highway, Mombasa) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.87.80.170 (talk) 01:14, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Why, exactly? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 03:21, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Halo nation

On the intro it mentions that the fan community is referred to as "Halo Nation" none of the 2 references provide any information about it and the only thing that I found doing a very fast google search referenced the wikia site. So it should be removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laqa18 (talk • contribs) 03:35, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Halo 4

Someone want to add a section about halo 4? (was just annouced at e3) not a whole lot of info at the moement so I'd hold off giving it it's own page just yet. See This page for confirmation the games being made.--Blood Panther (talk) 20:05, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Halo 4, 5 and 6

Just announced today at E3, someone please add them. They are made by 343 Industries. 99.240.231.32 (talk) 20:09, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Halo Wars?

I saw a movie called Halo Wars,can some one create a page for it or something. comment added by 98.71.63.39 (talk) 18:29, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

There is no movie called Halo Wars, only a game. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 11:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
That is weird It had flood,a different AI,and it didn't look fan made,how about Halo Wars: Genesis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.44.144.190 (talk) 15:13, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Halo Wars: Genesis is a comic book. You've probably seen cinematics from Halo Wars. If it's not on List of Halo media it probably doesn't exist. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 16:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Halo 4

Could you mention something about the new halo 4 teaser in the STORY paragraph. If you havent seen the trailer/teaser it should be on youtube... but it shows cortana and master chief on the back of the ship where master chief is frozen , directly interpreted from the Halo 3 legendary ending. But on this trailer he breaks out of the freeze cylo to the voice of cortana caling for him. Thanks anyway. Cameron (New Zealand) Big halo fan. 14:56, 9 July 2011 (local time) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.74.227.209 (talk)

There's next to no verifiable plot information to mention at this time. The trailer may or may not be indicative of anything in the final game. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 16:49, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

We have got to start updating things outside of the games...specifically Comics/Novels.

I was disturbed at the lack of pages in regards to the novels past Contact Harvest, it all jsut redirects to the Halo franchise page with barely any info other than release dates and minimal plot. Also the lack of mentions for the comics reduced to skim mentioned on the franchise page instead of full out pages for each. It's a bit disturbing. I'll try and rectify this myself but I'd like to note this for people who edit this page in the future - Asian Inferno (talk) 07:03, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

As mentioned on Talk:List of Halo media, not all Halo articles, topics and media deserve their own pages. The Cole Protocol and Cryptum, for example, thus far have not generated enough reviews from importance sources to justify their existence, and even the other Halo novels are pretty scant on this detail as well. While this page does need to be updated to mention more about the various adaptations, that doesn't extend to article creation as far as I can tell. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 18:48, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
That seems to make some sense, although while I agree "Cole Protocol" and "Contact Harvest" may not warrant an article the "Forerunner Trilogy" and upcoming "Post-Halo 3 Trilogy" will deal with events related to the game more importantly than the others mentioned. The former being an expansion to the Terminals the latter a continuation of events from "Ghost of Onyx". But I'll hold off to just updating for now... - Asian Inferno (talk) 19:04, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

When I used to visit the page, the logo used for Halo 1, 2, 3, Wars and ODST appeared in the info box but has now been rightly replaced with the current logo used for Halo: Reach and Halo 4. However I believe the old logo should also appear at some point in the article. However the file no longer exists. Could someone please upload the logo? TurboGUY (talk) 22:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure such an old image would have a defensible rationale per WP:NFCC. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 20:03, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm just going to go ahead and say I have no idea what you're talking about. TurboGUY (talk) 23:25, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Unless there was specific critical commentary about the old logo's design, etc., we can't include it as part of the WMF's emphasis on free content (non-free exemptions being bound by WP:NFCC.) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 13:46, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
I think more people associate the old logo used in Halo 1,2,3,ODST and Wars with Halo than the new simplified logo which haven't even been used in a game yet. If not appearing at the top, it should do so later in the article. http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=Halo+logo&gbv=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi Here is a link for those who can't see the difference between teh two. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.64.180.171 (talk) 16:21, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
It's been used on all the novel reissues, as well as Reach, so your statement isn't really accurate. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:27, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
The Reach logo isn't the same as the current Halo logo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.64.180.171 (talk) 14:19, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

halopedia?

we should add an external link to halo.wikia.com

just sort of makes sense, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJLO (talk • contribs) 02:14, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

WP:External links cites valid links as "Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues". Halopedia might be useful for directing interested readers to cruft not suitable for a general reference work, but it has far less critical information on the Halo series itself. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 20:52, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

well, i think someone coming to wikipedia for halo information would be very pleased to be directed to a wiki specifically for halo. so thats dumb. but whatev — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJLO (talk • contribs) 02:34, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

? Halopedia is actually one of the worse places to go for the info last time I went on almost everything was wrong 50.98.122.61 (talk) 08:36, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Halo Megastructures NOT habitable

I don't think the general information should include the fact that the Halo Megastructures are habitable. You can only walk on them, not live on them as there is no food on them and you would get destroyed if you tried to live there. There are no beds on it and there is no oxygen and it is 0 degrees celcius.

Sincerely,

JH - Aged 11 years, Australia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.34.222 (talk) 05:44, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

no oxygen? then how do they breath and yes you can live on Halo and you dont need beds to live and their is water and food play the games (p.s plant life can be eaten) 50.98.122.61 (talk) 08:39, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Last sentence in the third paragraph of the intro...

"A new title, Halo 4, is currently in development, as well as a high-definition remake of the first game entitled Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary."

Since Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary has already been developed and released in stores, it is not currently in development... should the portion in bold be completely removed, or should it be altered so it reads something like "and a high-definition remake of the first game entitled Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary was released in November 2011"? PrintedScholar (talk) 11:22, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the reception of the games

Someone decided to remove the scores for Halo 3 ODST, Halo Wars and Halo reach, how come? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.64.180.171 (talk) 14:21, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I dunno who cut them out, but I've reverted to include them. Their reception is just as valid. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 19:57, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Someone just removed them again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.64.180.171 (talk) 23:14, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi there,

It looks like there's been a bit of vandalism at the top of the page. I don't know how to change it, but I thought I should let somebody know.

70.52.159.5 (talk) 04:55, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Halo Waypoint

Don't you think Halo Waypoint should re-direct to 343 Industries instead of the development section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NexCarnifex (talk • contribs) 13:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm still not convinced 343 Industries deserves its own page, considering it hasn't actually produced a game and right now exists more as an IP holder than anything else. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 13:41, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

It certainly does, and by any logic, regardless it does more than 90% of the other Wikipedia articles. They are well established, and have videos coming out on Xbox live talking about they're future projects and current ones like the map pack. You even see their logo in the corner, they're more legit than all these webcomic pages, that's for sure. Were talking about triple A games. Nex Carnifex (talk) 20:04, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't a valid reason for keeping things. How exactly are they notable outside of Microsoft itself? While they are supporting a game they haven't produced or developed any of the triple A games you speak of. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 20:21, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: 343 DID produce a game, its called halo anniv. — Preceding unsigned comment added by L0FLow (talk • contribs) 03:07, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

vandalism will not be tolerated

Users who vandalize will be reported and blocked. --RichardMills65 (talk) 04:01, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 April 2012

I want to add this to the main Section of Halo Machinima: " Another good Machinima Series is THE HALO CE CHRONICLES by Dennis Powers. His Machinima can be seen on hcec.halomaps.org or halomovies.org." A want this added because he makes really good machinima. And I want others to know about it to. 117.228.74.214 (talk) 09:22, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Please provide a source that considers his a good machinima series. The second line won't fly, though, Celestra (talk) 20:50, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Halopedia Link

Hey, I was wondering if we should give a link to Halopedia, the Halo Wiki, which has ties with 343i last time I heard. And no, I am NOT talking about halo.wikia.com. That site is so unreliable it's ridiculous sometimes. I mean this. Much more reliable source then the site hosted on Wikia, in my own opinion. —Jamn liciousness 05:40, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Critical reception of all the games

There are aggregated reviews of the first 3 halo games and a blank space for halo 4. Should the rest of the games in the series be added to the table? Crzyclarks (talk) 23:21, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Story Overview - Fourth Paragraph

The words "Africa" and "African" appear several times in the fourth paragraph. It appears it may be vandalism.

No need to worry. It's been fixed. --ProtoDrake (talk) 13:46, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Halo: Silentium

The Books Section makes no mention of Greg Bear's final book in the Forerunner Saga. It's called Halo: Silentium, and releases January 8, 2013. Here's a link to the Waypoint article: http://blogs.halo.xbox.com/Headlines/post/2012/07/11/Tor-Books-Reveals-Title-Cover-Art-And-Release-Date-of-Third-Halo-Novel-By-Greg-Bear.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cases3 (talk • contribs) 15:00, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 November 2012

I would like to add Halo 4 in the most recent Halo game release. Also I want to add Halo 4 to the timeline. SexyBroStudios (talk) 21:47, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Sale figures in the introduction

In the introduction it says the Halo games sold 46 million copies and provided a source. The source says nothing about the number of copies the series sold. Furthermore 46 million is the number of views of the live-action series on YouTube. SkySilver (talk) 23:27, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

It seems the old source, that stated the sales figure, was removed when a new source was added updating the revenue figure. I've re-added the original source now which states over 46 million sales. The1337gamer (talk) 07:17, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Relating the story overview with the games

Wouldn't it be a good idea to relate the story overview with the games? This way, people would know what was in each release of the series. I am not sure I can do it myself without messing up everything, but I could imagine some sort of tag being inserted at the beginning of a paragraph to signal the start of a game in the series and another tag at the end. Vinnie2k (talk) 11:32, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

More info about the Flood in the Plot?

I have no idea how to use the wikipedia talk page. Anyway, I read the plot outline, but should't there be more information on the Flood? There is literally nothing about the Gravemind and he was pretty important to the plot. And what about the brutes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.76.31.90 (talk) 19:25, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

The Gravemind and the Brutes are rather game-specific (heck, the Gravemind is simply an intelligent manifestation of the Flood), and need exposition that would start to swell the plot section beyond what's sensible. That's really why it's structure the way it is: anyone who wants specifics beyond that can go to the games' individual articles, or go to a dedicated wiki. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:00, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request: Microsoft CEO Phil Spencer?

After E3, Microsoft CEO Phil Spencer said that the "Reclaimer Trilogy" had been expanded into a longer series of games, saying they "[didn't] want to limit the Reclaimer story within a trilogy".

Phil Spencer appears to be a vice president at Microsoft. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.214.20 (talk) 20:02, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Arguments for Halo being labelled military science fiction or not

  • I believe the Halo franchise is classified as a military science fiction. Now I understand not all forms of media in this franchise might fit that definition but that shouldn't matter since the main storyline fits the criteria for Military-sci-fi and not all franchises classified as certain category may contain spin-off material fitting it's main classification.

For starters fans term it as military science fiction: [1][2]

Halo books are tagged under military-sci-fi: [3][4]

Amazon advertises them as military science fiction:[http://www.amazon.com/s?rh=n%3A7538385011%2Cp_lbr_books_series_browse-bin%3AHalo][http://www.amazon.com/s?rh=n%3A7538385011%2Cp_lbr_books_series_browse-bin%3AOld+Man%27s+War|Halo][http://www.amazon.com/s?rh=n%3A7538385011%2Cp_lbr_books_series_browse-bin%3AHorus+Heresy|Halo]

This link tags it as military sci-fi [5]

The article on military science fiction more or less describes halo. I do admit to editing that article, but all i did was re-word it, not change it's original statements claiming the principle characters are military and a conflict occurs.

So again, not all franchises contain spin-offs that are the same ganre as the main storyline. Some responses please? 69.165.246.181 (talk) 03:14, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

The simple response is that if not all of the franchise's media can be classified as "military science fiction", ergo Halo is not a military science fiction franchise, but merely one that contains military science fiction themes and stories. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 13:58, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

That is not necessary. Star Wars is classified as space opera but not everything in the Star Wars franchise fits the definition of space opera. Take for example the The Han Solo Trilogy. They take place before the original star wars movies and do not classify as space opera because they don't fit the definition and are merely regarded as 'science fiction' adventure. The spin-off films on the Ewoks also do not fit the definition of space opera, heck they don't even take place in outer space. But they are set in the Star Wars universe and are equally a part of the Star Wars space opera franchise as much as the feature films are. The same is true for the han solo books. Not space opera but still a part of Star Wars.

The Forerunner saga in the Halo universe might not be military science fiction and should not be classed as such, but that doesn't change the main part of the Halo franchise from being military science fiction anymore than it does the Star Wars franchise from being space opera even though much of it's prequel and spin-off material does not fit that definition and are not classed as such. Your response? 69.165.246.181 (talk) 00:42, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

My response hasn't changed. If not all the work in the franchise is of the same genre, it's disingenuous to label them all as such. This is especially true because "military sci-fi" is primarily a literary genre, not one applied to video games, which are the primary works in the series. While I wouldn't call the sources you've listed above exactly reliable, they're all related to print materials. Do you have sources that refer to the series or video games in toto as military sci-fi? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 14:54, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Also by your argument star wars wouldn't classify as space opera, even though it clearly is, because of the spin-off material. Video games can easily incorporate literary genres as the category page clearly shows. Shouldn't most Star wars video games qualify as space opera?

What is your response to Star Wars being classified as space opera despite not all it's settings necessarily fit that genre? Also Amazon does not lie when it categorizes it's products in a certain genre. They have to or else they'd be out of business. Halo clearly falls under wikipedia's definition of military science fiction. But you have not addressed the points of Star Wars being classified as space opera despite a lot of it's spin-off material not fitting that category? 69.165.246.181 (talk) 22:31, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Using Wikipedia as a source isn't likely to sway anyone. I will repeat—are there significant sources that cite Halo (preferably as a whole) as military science fiction? You have not provided reliable sources. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 19:49, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
  • The link was posted to refute your claim that military science fiction cannot be applied to video games, of course they can. Starcraft is labelled military science fiction, so I don't see why Halo cannot fit that genre as well.

You have evaded my question about star wars being labelled space opera despite not all it's spin-off settings fit that label. Spin-offs or prequel saga's don't necessarily have to fit the genre of the main story.

Do you have any sources supporting your claim that every aspect of a franchise must be of the exact same genre? 69.165.246.181 (talk) 21:06, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

You seem rather dug in despite having no sources. Shall I start an RfC? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 14:06, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

If that will help it is welcomed. 69.165.246.181 (talk) 01:55, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Planet list?

I believe it would be necessary to create a page listing the planets, moons, and other locations in the Halo universe. There is a sufficient amount of information on several of the planets and many other sci-fi universes have pages on Wikipedia that list planets from the universe's respected fiction. TYRULES6 (talk) 05:14, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Planets in Halo really don't play a huge role, and wouldn't meet the threshold of notability per WP:GNG. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 15:36, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

List of Star Wars planets exists, I don't see why not for Halo. But it's up to you. Or maybe create a section within a Halo article devoted to planets. 69.165.246.181 (talk) 19:22, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Book order

Would be nice to have something like this Ender's_Game_(series)#Chronological_order if the order is that complex — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.168.13.21 (talk) 20:01, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Approximate Story Order

The order is a) unreferenced, b) misleadingly facile at best, and incorrect at worst (Evolutions coming last?). "Because I want it" is not a valid reason for inclusion over our policies on verifiability. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 12:48, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you. I don't think there's any need to it, but I wasn't feeling like starting an edit war myself. --ProtoDrake (talk) 12:52, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

You should put at the top that the Halo Series is better than the COD series

RfC: Should Halo be described as a military science fiction franchise?

Consensus is to use the term military science fiction.--v/r - TP 20:28, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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Following from the discussion above, should Halo be described in the opening of this article as a "military science fiction franchise"? Arguments for are that sources describe the books as military science fiction (e.g. [6], [7]; arguments against are that the books are not the primary work, military science fiction is rarely used as a genre for video games, and no reliable sources describing the series as a whole as a military science fiction series have been provided.

Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:02, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

From what I have seen and heard, the series is simply described as science-fiction. Two sources concerning the books does not seem enough to make the entire franchise into "military science-fiction". The sources given in the relevant discussion also don't seem that strong: three are advertisements used by Amazon (probably for user convenience rather than strict genre accuracy), the book references are a little shaky for this site, and fan terminology shouldn't really influence things unless it becomes the terminology publicly used by the series creators and writers over a number of years. I say make it simply "science-fiction". Nice, neutral and actually covering all sub-genres. --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:26, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
To play advocate, there are more than just those two sources (see the above-linked), but I cherry-picked because some seemed to be cited to Wikipedia. My concern was less the number of sources but rather their reliability. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 17:47, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Remarks: military science fiction video games being rare or not, still exist. Just like white tigers, no matter how rare, still exist. This cannot be an argument.

-Halo is a franchise with it's origins in a series of military science fiction video games. Back stories and spin-offs are not a part of the main series. If you want to go deep, no real science fiction story exists in a universe with a backstory that was also sci-fi since the backstories take place in a different time era or feature different adventures that fit a different category. I mean the starship troopers universe could not always have been sci-fi, something must have been there before the high tech.

-Furthermore, the arguments brought up in previous thread have not been addressed or even touched on.

-Also even if the sources are not entirely reliable they are still better than nothing. i think we should await further comments from different parties to come to a community consensus. But provided all arguments by each member are addressed. And lastly all members should be given time to provide sources (i am waiting for yours) as we are all tied up with our own commitments in life. I think discussion should still continue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.246.181 (talk) 07:53, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Frankly, this is getting tiring. I don't have to provide any sources; the burden is upon those adding the information. Unreliable sources can't be used for proof of anything. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 18:15, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes. I am commenting not out of familiarity with the subject, but because I have been invited to do so. Matthew Stover says the first game "Halo: Combat Evolved is pure MilSef" (military science fiction) and this is the theme of his opening chapter of the 2013 book about the Halo franchise, Halo Effect: An Unauthorized Look at the Most Successful Video Game of All Time. Stover's opinion is good enough for me. IMHO, it also passes the WP:DUCK test. – Fayenatic London 09:44, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes: I wasn't sure "military science fiction" was even a thing, but I looked it up: "Military science fiction is a subgenre of science fiction in which the principal characters are members of a military service and an armed conflict is taking place, normally in space, or on a planet other than Earth." Pretty much exactly like Halo, right? That's from Goodreads, which to the best of my knowledge is a reliable source. Supernerd11 :D Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 21:59, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
The point I was making earlier is that it's using that moniker entirely in a discussion about the Halo books. Aside from a source provided from an author above, it's not to my knowledge used by any reliable sources when discussing the video games or other media at all. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 15:37, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes in the original RfC post, the creator mentioned that a source was not found to define the series as "military science fiction." I think Fayenatic London's source is sufficient, and that the series can be defined in that way.Comatmebro ~Come at me~ 04:30, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes - for all the reasons specified above as well as the obvious: we have sources that call it such (excluding any fan denotation as such, and the person who fronted fan cruft as an argument should be trout-slapped). Our opinion is absolutely immaterial. We work off of citable references. Period. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:09, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Sorry if I offended anyone. Unwarranted influx of personal opinions noted and trout slap duel accepted (I'm not being clever or antagonistic, just accepting my dues :)). Revised opinion from further research: Yes --ProtoDrake (talk) 19:26, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Sorry; I just realized that my dislike of fanmob cruft led me to act snarkily towards you. A thousand pardons. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 00:59, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

YES IF above question implies should it be military sci-fi or not, i state it definitely should be military sci-fi. Again my argument regarding star wars and it's spin-offs were not discussed (see above) and I have stated that any spin-offs should be in a separate subgenre if necessary as in the case of Star Wars and the Han Solo Trilogy--69.165.246.181 (talk) 00:09, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

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Missing links

The box at the end of the page is missing any refrence to Halo`s Heroclix and Actionclix ranges. Could this be added?

-Kelly (24/10/14) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.168.99.120 (talk) 13:11, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

"Cultural impact" of Halo

There's absolutely no way Halo is a popular as some of these pundits are making it out to be, especially compared the impact of Star Wars. Many of those articles claiming such this were written back when Halo was a lot more popular, so I don't think this assessment applies to the Halo games and media of today.--Prisencolinensinainciusol (talk) 23:16, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

You're arguing an assertion based on "truth" versus verifiable sources... Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 13:19, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Reclaimer [t]rilogy

Please see the edit I've just made. I don't understand why the [t] was like that, and the sources given seem to just have a T so I've changed it to that. If you know better please feel free to explain and revert. DBaK (talk) 12:02, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Macroscope

I don't know that much about the Halo series, but the concept of the Rings seems somewhat similar to the Destroyer stations from Macroscope. Is there a connection? To clarify; these are stations meant to prevent a galactic war by broadcasting a galaxy wide jamming signal that destroys any violence capable creature attempting to access the galactic Internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omeganian (talk • contribs)

I haven't seen any commentator make that connection previously, no. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 14:49, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Games Cathching Up

343 is finally doing good tying in the story with the books now. With the installment Halo 5: Guardians, we have seen three other Spartans along side the Master Chief. It has been confirmed that they are Kelly, Fred and Linda, other Spartan II's. Playing only the game you would have no idea who they are but reading the books you really feel everything coming together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:5B0E:2E00:E841:B42:CC23:C74D (talk) 17:38, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

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An Arbiter appears as a playable character in Killer Instinct: Season Three.[1]

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Says Halo Rings were to destroy the Flood but that not totally true. There to kill all life in the galaxy and starve the flood. Wording should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.126.106.149 (talk) 22:57, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: MOVED to Halo (franchise) (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:08, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Halo (series) → Halo (franchise) – The current title for this article is not specific enough to clarify what this page is about. As-is it could mean any number of things (such as: book, television, video game, or film series). As this is the case, a clarification is needed in order for the average reader to be able to find what they are looking for. The page no longer just includes the video games, but includes the direct-to-video film releases, books, merchandise, and an upcoming television series. Either those topics must be moved to another page so that this page is just about video games -which would make the current title work- or this page needs a retitle. An alternate proposes title would be something along the lines of Halo (video game series). DisneyMetalhead (talk) 22:44, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

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Edit request

Incorporate the following to the "Untitled Showtime television Series" section.

https://www.comicbook.com/gaming/amp/2017/07/23/halo-tv-series-from-steven-spielberg-still-happening/ 185.65.172.150 (talk) 17:03, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Halo 2600: Some reference to this game developped by Ed Fries himself in 2010 for the Atari 2600 could be added... Wiki page, Playable link (this last link isn't included in the wiki page) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.196.142.92 (talk) 18:11, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

missing content in the halo franchise template

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Halo_series is incomplete regarding books isn't it? There's like a dozen halo books not listed there — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xcarry (talk • contribs) 09:21, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

The books not listed do not have their own articles and are featured in List of Halo media. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 11:43, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Halo Online merger proposal

Proposing to merge Halo Online into this article, presumably to Halo (franchise)#Cancelled projects. Once you strip out the usual "on x date, y" stuff that is de rigeur in these articles, you're left with three or four paragraphs maximum of relevant content; you can quickly summarize what the game is in a line or two and cover the ElDewrito stuff with the rest. Given that the project is basically canned and not generating new coverage at present it doesn't seem like there's any concern about size issues. Thoughts? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 16:00, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

It has enough standalone notability. Per WP:MERGEREASON, "Merging should be avoided if the topics are discrete subjects warranting their own articles, even though they might be short." Length alone is not a valid reason to merge.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:12, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Possible edits

The photo under the Cultural Impact section with the caption "Halo cosplay at New York Comic Con" is of individuals dressed in costumes from Pacific Rim Uprising, and has no connection to Halo whatsoever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.135.190.46 (talk) 09:35, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

This section could use some elaboration considering not ALL of the forerunners are dead.
"The Covenant, led by their religious leaders called the Prophets, worship an ancient civilization known as the Forerunners, who perished in combat with the parasitic Flood."

This section could also use some editing to make it clear that Bungie was not the developer of this anniversary edition.
"A high-definition remake of the first game entitled Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary was released on November 15, 2011, exactly ten years after the release of the original."

"Future" talks about halo wars 2. this game has been released and should no longer be under the future section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.251.196.172 (talk) 14:38, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

This section should be modified to reflect other information.
"Following directives to avoid leading the Covenant to Earth, Cortana, the AI aboard the fleeing UNSC ship Pillar of Autumn, selects random coordinates that lead the ship to a Halo ring, Installation 04." The jump was not random, Cortana choose the coordinates based on partially decoded information related to the Forerunners. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:B084:C2C0:79AB:9506:B971:404C (talk) 19:27, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm not allowed to edit semi-protected articles yet. The following phrase, at the top of the second alinea in 'Setting and plot', is inaccurate: "Tens of thousands of years later, in the 26th century, humanity". The halo array was fired nearly 100.000 years ago. I think 'tens of thousands' will tend to be interpreted as something in the range of 30.000-70.000. Another inaccurate phrase is in the last alinea: "Blue Team — consisting of four of the five remaining Spartans". That should specifically say 'Spartan-II's', as there's tons of others alive (Spartan-III's & Spartan-IV's). Enchanted Bunny (talk) 01:31, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey User:Enchanted Bunny, I've removed page protection since it's been a while, you should be able to make edits now. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 12:01, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
Hey User:Der Wofltemperierte Fuchs, thanks, I've just made the edits now. Wondering if it's appropriate to now delete this mini conversation? Enchanted Bunny (talk) 03:51, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

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Easter Eggs/Trivia

There should be a page to include all easter eggs in the Halo series. I am more than willing to help with this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SCP AGENT 1987 (talk • contribs) 16:16, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Easter eggs generally aren't notable and would count as WP:TRIVIA. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 15:11, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

What about character Easter Eggs? Like Spartans, Elites, ect. Also there is no Trivia section on the Halo (franchise) page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SCP AGENT 1987 (talk • contribs) 16:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

As pointed out with the above link. the manual of style specifically discourages trivia lists. That might be content that could go on Halopedia, but it doesn't really belong on Wikipedia. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 17:54, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Halo Online merger proposal

Halo Online is a cancelled game which is very much not coming back. I've been looking for sources and what's in the article is very much what is out there; there's not a lot of good information about gameplay, development, and reception because it was never fully released. As such, I think it makes far more sense to summarize the contents in the main article. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 19:01, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Support Merge - Better to have one great article than several mediocre ones. If more information gets revealed in the future, it can always be split out again. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:45, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
@David Fuchs: -Seems like there are no objections, want to merge? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 17:50, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
I'll look at condensing down the info in the article and writing the addition here, then we can redirect. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 20:53, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

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Games versus development; makes sense to merge?

In trying to overhaul and clean up this article (which was primarily written ten years ago and still feels like it in places), I'm wondering if it makes more sense to just combine the "Development" section with the "Games"? Trying to talk about the released games then go back and cover the development of the studios feels like an unnatural fit, especially since the games' development is intrinsically tied to the developer changeover. (The "Cultural influences" probably should just go in its own section, as well as talking about broader franchise themes.) Any thoughts? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 18:00, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Improved synopsis

The current synopsis reads like the intro to the game itself or an advertisement. Could someone who knows what it's trying to say rewrite it in plain and straightforward English in a way that a person who has not played the games and possibly has not played any videogame could understand? 67.150.30.117 (talk) 03:35, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I removed the following: 'Primarily taking place in the 26th century, the franchise centers on conflicts between humans and a variety of alien species. The eponymous Halos are immense ring-shaped superweapons created by a race known as the Forerunners to destroy the parasitic Flood, but which the alien Covenant mistake for religious artifacts of transcendence.'
Let me know if it reads better without that information in the article. N2O Calico (talk) 00:14, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
That seems like a detriment to the article; the lead now contains no information on what the franchise is actually about. I also don't think the IP was talking about the lead at all, but rather the plot section. I don't really see any feedback that's actionable: it isn't an 'advertisement' to tell people what happens roughly in the games, and yeah, an introduction to the franchise is probably going to sound like an introduction. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 03:06, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Strange Plot Section

The 'plot' fragment for this page starts off with a heavy amount of obscure lore (that I as a Halo fan was even unaware of) that serves as a poor synopsis for the franchise itself. Maybe the plot section should focus on the series being about a future humanity undergoing a genocidal war at the hands of a religious covenant of aliens. As I understand it, the precursors are background fluff and the part about ancient aliens and humanity giving their pets drugs doesn't seem to be a focus of ANY of the games --2A00:23C6:4518:3101:9DD6:7467:E474:337C (talk) 19:21, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

The plot section covers the entire franchise, not just the plot of the mainline video games. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 22:37, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
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