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A fact from Harold G. Schrier appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 24 January 2007. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Harold G. Schrier led the patrol of U.S. Marines who raised the first American flag on Mount Suribachi?

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The Ribbon Bar is wrong[edit]

The photo showing the ribbion bar is wrong - the 1st ribbon is the silver star not the navy cross — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.139.152.160 (talk) 18:49, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are right. The Bronze Star Medal (BSM) introduction (BSV) isn't accurate besides the photo and arrangement of Schrier's military ribbons (Silver Star medal ribbon on top, Navy Cross medal ribbon on bottom...) and needs corrections. Schrier's Awards-list also has "Bronze Star" instead of, "Bronze Star Medal". The BSM is awarded either for heroism, or for meritorious achievement (on reverse side of medal) or service. The Valor device ("V" Device) is not an "award". — Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talk • contribs) 07:59, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First off, be sure to sign your comments by adding four tildes at the end, as it states below (Sign your posts on talk pages: ~~~~ ).

Secondly, The Navy Cross is superior in precedence, correct, and the image of the rack does not display a Navy Cross at all (unless that green-black ribbon in similar format is supposed to be the Navy Cross). So, if someone wants to recreate the image to reflect the correct ribbons, that'd be grand.

The title "Bronze Star" is not incorrect because that is what the medal is known as by description (how the Silver Star is a star, Purple Heart is a heart, Navy Cross is a cross, whereas the DSM, MSM, ARCOM have no shape distinction so they are labeled as just medals). That's also why Bronze Star redirects to Bronze Star Medal. The BSV is distinct from the BSM because, as you stated, one is awarded for valor and one is awarded for service. The long-and-short of it all, the Valor Device awarded on the BSM reflects separation because the regular service-BSM then becomes a valorous award. Confusing, I know, but after writing, reviewing, and correcting many DA 638s & DA 2823s (ad nauseum), it becomes clear. Bullmoosebell (talk) 16:25, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article concerns Marine awards and devices by name not Army awards and devices by name. The Marine Corps "V" device is named the "Combat Distinguishing Device" (Combat "V"), worn to denote valor or acts or services by individuals who are exposed to personal hazard involving direct participation in combat. The Bronze Star Medal (BSM) is for heroic achievement or heroic service or is for meritorious achievement or meritorious service. The BSM with or without the "V" device is a decoration and not a "regular service-BSM". The "V" device is attached on the BSM, not "awarded on the BSM".

Schrier's awards by Marine Corps name include (Marine Crops Awards Manual, p. 1-22, 2006[1]):
Silver Star Medal (not Silver Star)
Bronze Star Medal (not Bronze Star); w/o Combat "V", see Schrier's service ribbons photo (no "V" device)
Purple Heart Medal (not Purple Heart)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talk • contribs) 23:15, 3 March 2012 (UTC) YahwehSaves (talk) 22:26, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive Edits[edit]

Currently, I am engaging in an edit war with YahwehSaves (Talk |Contribs) and their sock puppet 75.79.31.20 (Talk |Contribs) (which is a common occurrence for their disruptive edits, see their contributions page), for their attempts to add unreferenced and uncited information. One issue is the Combat Action Ribbon, which wasn't awarded until 1969. YahwehSaves continues to add this information, among other unreferenced information, to the page, where I promptly revert the edit & invite them to discuss such edits here at the talk page. It is not my intention to keep factual information from being on this page, but I'm unable to find any references to Harold Schrier being retroactively awarded the CAR. As such, the edits made by YahwehSaves & 75.79.31.20 will be continue to be reverted if unreferenced.Bullmoosebell (talk) 02:22, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Schrier's service ribbons photo in the article clearly shows that he has two Combat Action Ribbon awards (CAR with 5/16" gold star). One CAR for WW2 and one CAR for Korea.
Public Law 106-65--October 5, 1999: The Secretary of the Navy may award the the Combat Action Ribbon to a member of the Navy and Marine Corps for participation in ground or surface combat (Schrier) during the period on or after December 7, 1941. The CAR is credited to other eligible WW2 and Korea Marines in articles as well whose CARs Bullmoosebell deleted (disruptive edits).YahwehSaves (talk) 22:26, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]