Talk:Hathersage

Origins of Name Hathersage

"recorded as Hereseige in the Doomsday Book of 1086. The complexity of the language of Old English and the Old Nordic of later Danes, with their regional changes over six hundred years, makes place-name translation a minefield of historical guesswork. A simple interpretation of Hereseige may derive from "here" (invading army with the 's' in the genitive form) and "ecg" (edge OE)"

Hathersage in the Peak: A History (2005) Barbara A.Buxton pp.8-9.

"a Saxon word, spelt 'haefer ecg' meaning a "ridge settlement"

The Ancient Village of Hathersage (1983) Tom Tomlinson p.20

"He-goat ridge" or "Haefer's ridge" a personal name

Peak District Place Names (1989) Martin Spray p.20.

"There is some controversy about the origin of the name Hathersage but anyone looking up from the village to the surrounding moorlands in late summer will understand why it is commonly believed to be a corruption of `Heather's edge'.

'The Derbyshire Village Book' (1991) Federation of Women's Institutes & Countryside Books

"Hathersage.— (D.D.B. Hereseige.)— A.S. haeth— heath or heather, and A.S. ecg, ecge — an edge; — the edge of the heath"

Journal of the Derbyshire Archaeological and Natural History Society (1880) Volume II p.50.

Pronunciation

I've had a stab at an IPA template to show the pronunciation I am familiar with (I grew up not far away). If anyone thinks I've made an error, please feel free to adjust (and explain!). PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:43, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi PaleCloudedWhite (hope this is a good place to discuss your reversion of my edit), I used the spelling DH for /ð/ because it was given at Template:Respell#Examples. I agree it's not necessarily intuitive, but I thought it was better than implying /ˈhæθəsɪdʒ/ with a voiceless 'th' like in "thing" with HATH-ə-sidge. I'll change it to HATHə-sidge – does that look clear enough to you? I find the main problem is train announcers and co. making the last syllable sound like "sage", anyway. I don't know if you were asking whether your pronunciation or your IPA was okay but both look fine to me (also from the area). Φ (talk) 09:22, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Of course you only notice things once you've clicked Publish... The secondary stress you had in the IPA wasn't necessary. John C. Wells has a post about why this is if you're interested. Φ (talk) 09:31, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Chrisandtaund, thanks for the explanation. I understand the issue with readers possibly thinking the 'th' sound in HATH-ə-sidge is voiceless (/θ/). I'm not sure if HATHə-sidge reduces that risk, though either is preferable to HADH-ə-sidge in my view. However, what about HA-the-sidge as an alternative (if that's allowable under respell guidelines?)? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 13:34, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi PaleCloudedWhite, I've just remembered about this. As 'dh' is given for /ð/ in the standardised key actually linked by the pronunciation template and the schwa is already a phonetic symbol (so not intuitive), I think it's best to change it back to my original edit. Φ (talk) 10:26, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

I cannot agree to using 'dh', simply because nobody pronounces it like that. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:12, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

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Local name

Is it true that locals call it Hathersausage? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:47, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Lol. Not heard that one. I'll ask a local. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:18, 4 November 2021 (UTC)