Talk:Herbert Strongeagle

notability of Herbert Strongeagle

Hi - amongst the many references provided for Herbert Strongeagle was a link to a PhD thesis on the importance of the Tom Longboat Award for sport in Canada, and for indigenous sport in Canada. Canadians have just had a Truth and Reconciliation Commission Final Report that has as one call to action (#87) that we need to enhance the public's knowledge of elite indigenous athletes in Canada as a necessary step towards reconciliation. The Tom Longboat Award winners are ideal individuals who have excelled in sport in Canada. Each of these athletes are very notable in the Canadian sport system because they were exceptional athletes at a time when indigenous peoples were not being given many opportunities in society to excel. It is our hope to have many of these athletes included with Wikipedia entries because they are a notable group of individuals in the Canadian sport system who have been too often unrecognized. I would be happy to provide more information about these important athletic award winners, including Herbert Strongeagle, if needed, as this is my area of expertise as a professor in the Sociology of Sport. Vicky Paraschak (talk) 21:42, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

re: notability of Herbert Strongeagle: is notable for lack of research on all indigenous athletes in Canada. This entry is added in response to #87 call to action in the TRC Final Report. His notability was recognized by the Canadian Government of the time with the Tom Longboat Award; and continued to be recognized (see the other awards) including a lifetime achievement award. Fascinating to me that notability for wikipedia is a limited notion and predicated on the existence of "acceptable" secondary sources, ones which actually may be irrelevant to the oral tradition of certain peoples and/or to the fact that indigenous peoples have been excluded from mainstream Canadian life and thus are not mentioned in the accepted records of that mainstream culture. And then this exclusion is reinforced by the fact that wikipedia refuses to recognize them. Or put another way, those who support their own native culture, in some cases minimizing their contributions to mainstream culture and thus being recorded in that mainstream culture, should not result in excluding their contributions from wikipedia and thus ignoring their contributions to their own culture.Squirrel2017 (talk) 14:04, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

...and just published: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41887971 Squirrel2017 (talk) 15:43, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

I would just add that the newspapers in Saskatchewan, from the time of Strongeagle and the other early Tom Longboat winners in that province, have yet to be digitized, making online newspaper coverage quite scant. Single items are usually available as the occasional, digitized paper or article in a pre-existing archive dedicated to some other topic than sports. You can push all you want for news coverage, but on top of these people being nonexistent as far as white culture was concerned, the documentation that does exist has yet to be prioritized. Squirrel2017 (talk) 17:15, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Squirrel2017 (talk) 13:31, 14 November 2017 (UTC)Since the person(s) who posted they had a problem with notability have been non-responsive to the information on this talk page, I'm assuming they agree with the arguments or have no counter-arguments, and thus I have removed their message about lacking notability from the Herbert Strongeagle page.