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Removal of POV links

While it is true that minorities may have faced discrimination in some parts of Bangladesh, adding a host of links about "Ethnic cleansing" in Bangladesh is POV. The article is about "Hinduism in Bangladesh", so adding these links, most of which seem to be taken from Right wing websites or News articles, do not serve any purpose. These are not credible, and are unsubstantiated. I am interested in expanding the article, by adding sections on the History part and the different dynasties, and the religious sites, and the status of hindus in BD. However, adding links just for anti-Bangladesh/Islam rant would not help the article be NPOV. Thanks. --Ragib 08:12, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sources can be POV as long as the are reliable. Indian Express satisfies WP:Reliable Sources. HAF is registered as a non-partisan org by US government and is covered by US tax laws as such.Hkelkar 01:23, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
and yes it was ethnic cleansing only. Hindus were driven out of B'desh in the lakhs. What do you call that? Dance party?Hkelkar 01:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Dude Hkelkar tone it down man, don't hate on Ragib. Its not like he is the B'deshi gov't, he's merely a shishya like you and me. But your subject matter is true. Bangladeshi's in power, and Banglabhai Islamic terrorists hate Hindus. Even Tagore wouldn't feel welcome there anymore I'm afraidBakaman Bakatalk 02:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

My best friend is a Bangladeshi Hindu from Chittagong. He hates Bangladesh. His family hates Bangladesh. His father was the topper in his Medical University, yet he found it difficult to get a job. His mother had to live like a Muslim during the '71 war out of fear that Muslims would attack her family. Their land was forcefully taken away from them by local Muslim thugs. No one helped them, not even the law enforcers. Persecution became so widespread, my friend's grandparents ran away to India. I asked my friend, do you want to go back to Bangladesh? He replied "No, I don't feel safe there." If Hindus feel like this there, it shows that the government really is trying to marginalize Hindus

Aditya —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.144.143.7 (talk • contribs)

I feel sorry for your friend, but several of my best friends are also Bangladeshi hindus, and I've been to their homes, their puja celebrations, and they have been to mine likewise. My friends do not hate Bangladesh. It all depends on the situation, the context. My friend in my engineering school got equal opportunities and equal privileges as me. So, you can't really generalize on this, that all Hindu Bangladeshis hate Bangladesh. Thanks. --Ragib 18:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I understand your point, Mr.Ragib and apologize for the generalization made earlier. However, you must accept that the Hindu minority does not enjoy the same freedoms as that enjoyed by the majority of the country. The Ramna Kali Mandir grounds that were demolished in '71 by Pakistanis still have not been returned to the Hindu community despite all requests. Stringent police protection is required during Pujo time out of fear of vandalism. i.e. Bangladesh may not neccessarily be the ideal place for Hindus

Aditya

Aditya, As someone from Bangladesh, i have to say you are mistaken. It entirely depends on the area where Hindus are residing. For some rural areas and villages, its a problem for the Hindus. For urban areas like Tatibazar, Tikatoli etc. in Dhaka city, the majority of the residents are still Hindus. In these areas Puja are celebrated at large scales without any problems. I was born, raised in these areas and most of my friends, neighbours were Hindus and for most cases there were no hindu-muslim discrimination. Also, some business like sweet stores/factories, Gold/Jewellery factories etc. are still being dominated by Hindus. - Alif. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.109.24.246 (talk) 22:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC).

Facts

It is funny whenever it involves the Hindus of Bangladesh, certain Bangladeshi wikipedians suddently gets "hyped-up" about fact tags. People seem to ignore that in other articles concerning Bangladesh. It shows how the Hindus in Bangladesh are treated currently and in the past. Taking the advantage of pro-rights absence, they were even very succesful in purging all the articles concerning Bangabhumi other than the main article. Very well. Do whatever you wish. I would see if I could find any references. Thank you. Have a nice day. :) Hikingdom 15:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Numbers

The most recent census data I have is from 1991, which gives 11,179,000 (10.5%) Hindus out of a population of 106,315,000. Also see [1]--Vikramsingh 05:28, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Axxn 12:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

In the very first line it states Census 2006!!!!! Very funny..... The last census was on 2001 and the next one is on 2011. From where you got the 11% figure, when it is 10.5% in 1991 and 8.1% in 2001? A rise of 2.9% in just 60 months? Anandks007 (talk) 12:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Cleaning this article

I am going to be deleting nonsense figures and things that are without sources. There was no Bangladesh in the 1940s, how is it that figures from that time falls into "Hinduism in Bangladesh"? That was India at the time. Further, there is no concrete sources for much of the content here. Until solid sources are provided, all that has to go. MinaretDk 04:27, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

we seem to be having the same problem with the history of pakistan.--D-Boy 00:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
please see these refs:

[2] [3] [4] [5]Rumpelstiltskin223 00:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, read this reliable source (Time) [6]. Rumpelstiltskin223 00:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
More [7][8].Rumpelstiltskin223 01:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I have added more sources to the article. Rumpelstiltskin223 04:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
WHy are figures from 1941, 1951 in the table. This is Hinduism in Bangladesh, Not Hinduism in Pakistan. Bangladesh was liberated in 1971 ( anything that was before DOESNOT COUNT into Bangladesh). Pls, delete the figures. thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.109.24.246 (talk) 22:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC).
I have to say someone needs to do cleanup of this article, This article is "Hinduism in Bangladesh", not Hinduism in East Pakistan, anything that was before 1971 DOESNOT COUNT. Please delete those nonsense figures. And during Liberation, it wasn't just the Hindus who were massacred in 71', there were thousands of Bangladeshi muslims raped, abused, brutally murdered by the Pakistani bahini. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Itsalif (talk • contribs) 22:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC).
It is the historical data of the Bangladesh region. About 1971, there are credible sources in the article outlining that Hindus had a bit harder time than the Muslims during 1971. Article does not say ONLY Hindus faced atrocities. Hikingdom 06:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
agreed this article needs to be cleaned up the "Bangladesh Liberation and 1971 Bangladesh atrocities (1971)" section in particular contains unnecessary Weasel Wordssuch as "it is reasonably certain" that are unnecessary considering the article does have sources for these assertions Remusofreem (talk) 23:04, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

from wp:bangladesh


I edited the following text from 'Political situation in Bangladesh' "Even after the rapid decline of the Hindu popualation of what is now Bangladesh, from 28% of the population in 1947,"

Please, Note Bangladesh got its independence on 1971, HOW can there be a census on 1947 for Bangladesh. That figure of 28% is a collective figure of East Pakistan(modern-day Bangladesh) and West Pakistan(modern-day Pakistan). SO, it DOESNOT count as only Bangladesh figure. Any figure before 1971 was collective figure of East and West Pakistan.

2001 census figures out.

According to [9] there are 11,379,000 Hindus in Bangladesh as of 2001 census accounting for 9.2% of the population.---- Axxn

Hello, I am skeptical about the figure 9.2%, I dont have the direct link of BD census with me right now, but most other sources I have seen puts the figure to 10.5%, Infact, US Dept. of State (Updated 2007), which also got the figure from BD census, puts the figure to 10.5%. So, I am changing the figure and putting it , ranging from 9.2 to 10.5%. The figure of newkerala is a little doubtful. -- alif.

I have added the section 'Hindu population by district' and provided a credible source. I have also removed the figure 9.2%, which has doubtful source. The only source it provides is newkerala.com, which claims it got the figure from BD Govt. 2001 census. However, 2001 census of BD puts the figure to 10.5%, and so the US Dept. of State(Updated 2007) which also got the figure from 2001 BD census. - --Itsalif 22:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


Someone again changed the figure to 9.3%, may I ask where are these figures coming from?. Interestingly, the source given corresponding to 9.34%, puts the figure to 10.5%, so where did the figure 9.3% comes from?. U.S Dept. of State is a much reliable source than newkerala.com. --Itsalif 02:48, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Hindus in Bangladesh now

User:Ragib has changed the number on Hindu population in Bangladesh to a higher number.

The claim that "The two major religions practiced in Bangladesh are Islam (83%) and Hinduism (16%)" in Bangladesh wikipedia article is false. It overstates the population of Hindus by more than 50%. (I have changed it).

There is some variation in the number reported, but the official [1] number is: 9.2%. [2][3]

"The Hindu population, the second largest religious group, has experienced a 50 percent decrease since Bangladesh came into being in 1971 after a-nine month armed struggle. The percentage of Hindu population has become half to 9.2 per cent from 18.5, according to the Bangladesh government's latest population census conducted in 2001."

Bangladesh government apparently avoids mentioning the number as much as possible, the the correct numbers are very hard to obtain. The numbers are not there on the BD census web-site.

References

  1. ^ http://www.banbeis.gov.bd/bd_pro.htm
  2. ^ http://in.news.yahoo.com/050714/139/5zc7r.html Bangaldesh's Hindu population has declined by 50 per cent since 1971
  3. ^ http://www.ciaonet.org/atlas/asia/bd/index.html

--Vikramsingh (talk) 20:04, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Please do not mislead as you have done in your first sentence. The numbers (83%, 16%) were in the article for quite some time and were supported by the reference from CIA world fact book. *YOU* changed it without providing the reference to the new numbers. You had inserted the new numbers and added this as reference to your numbers "http://www.bbs.gov.bd]- [[CIA World Factbook]]". However, the CIA world fact book does not support the numbers you changed. Now that you have added a correct reference to the population numbers, there is no problem. But please do not make a fake assertion that I changed the number to a higher number ... that statistics was there for quite some time and backed by solid references. Finally, in case of demographic information, the official census report is the most authentic and reliable source. Thanks. --Ragib (talk) 20:14, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Untitled

Kumar Bishwajit is Christian, Not Hindu

Govind Haldar is not a Bangladeshi. He is an Indian citizen

A list of Hindus in Bangladesh judiciary should be included: 1)Justice Debesh Bhattachariya 2)Justice Bimalendu Bikash Roy Chowdhury 3)Justice Goura Gopal Saha 4)Justice Bijan Kumar Das 5)Justice Surandra Kumar Sinha 6)Justice Soumendra Sarkar 7)Justice Gibinda Chandra Thakur 8)Justice Krishna Debnath —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.18.231.24 (talk) 18:25, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

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Add riots and massacres targeted at HinduBuddhists

I can not make changes to this protected article, please make the following changes:

1. Add a section at bottom "Persecution of Hindus" and add the list of riots and masscares targeted at Hindus:

NOTE: There are many more, Mumlim/Atheist Human Right activists and Hindu/Buddhist victims from Bangladesh know better, please add all.

Either pipe the following to the appropriate text in this or add these to the list above:

Thanks. 58.182.172.95 (talk) 14:45, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2019

Edit 1: Add a section at bottom "Persecution of Hindus" and add the list of riots and masscares targeted at Hindus:


Edit 2: Either pipe the following to the appropriate text in this or add these to the list above:

Thanks. 58.182.172.95 (talk) 16:00, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. A bare-bones list with no context shouldn't be added. Any attempt to expand the scope of the article like this must be done in prose. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 16:13, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

I believe there is a typo in use of the word 'decadent'

Around the end of Demographics section, According to a random sampling from the Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics (BBS) which is less accurate and less reliable than the decadent "Population and Housing Census" conducted by the same agency every ten years because of the small sample size.

'decadent' according to google dictionary implies 'characterized by or reflecting a state of moral or cultural decline'. That's an odd adjective to describe a census agency.

I believe an edit should simply delete this word.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by ShihabXShahriar (talk • contribs) 14:01, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Demographics

All the data regarding demography of Hindus are already given on the page. This includes absilute number of those professing Hinduism, share of Hindus in the total Bangladeshi population, as well as share of Hindus across sub-national divisions. The issue is a political one in the sub continent and have seen much discussion in the press on both sides. Kindly do not change the figures, or copy one dataset to the front of the page just because you feel that particular set of figures are more relevant.

The page is written according to strict wikipedia guidelines and any attempt to change the demographics will be treated as vandalism. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Intellectualyo (talk • contribs) 08:43, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Noakhali Riots (1946)

There is a fairly large Wikipedia page called the Noakhali riots, and it mentions how Hindus suffered during the riots.

Could I make a subsection under Community Issues called "Noakhali Riots (1946)" add the following :

The Noakhali Riots in 1946 in modern-day Bangladesh led to the deaths of 5,000 Hindus[1][2]. According to Indian scholar Dinesh Chandra Sinha, the remaining Hindus in the area were forced to pay subscriptions to the Muslim League and pay the jizya[3]. The majority of the survivors migrated to West Bengal, Assam[4], and Tripura in India. According to Indian Justice G. D. Khosla, the entire Hindu population of Noakhali were robbed of all they possessed and forcibly converted to Islam[5]. At least 1,307 Hindu girls were kidnapped by Muslims[6]. According to Partha S. Ghosh, an Indian Council of Social Science Research (ICSSR) National Fellow at the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses, New Delhi, this incident resulted in at least 50,000 Hindu refugees[7]. Shakespeare143 (talk) 16:29, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "India: Written in Blood". Time. 28 October 1946. p. 42. Mobs in the Noakhali district of east Bengal ... burned, looted and massacred on a scale surpassing even the recent Calcutta riots. In eight days an estimated 5,000 were killed.
  2. ^ Khan, Yasmin (2017) [First published 2007]. The Great Partition: The Making of India and Pakistan (New ed.). Yale University Press. p. 68. ISBN 978-0-300-23032-1.
  3. ^ Sinha, Dinesh Chandra; Dasgupta, Ashok (2011). 1946: The Great Calcutta Killings and Noakhali Genocide. Kolkata: Himangshu Maity. p. 263. ISBN 9788192246406.
  4. ^ Dev, Chitta Ranjan (2005). "Two days with Mohandas Gandhi". Ishani. 1 (4). Mahatma Gandhi Ishani Foundation. Retrieved 7 August 2011.
  5. ^ Khosla, G. D. (1989). Stern Reckoning: A Survey of the Events Leading up to and Following the Partition of India. New Delhi: Oxford University Press. p. 68. ISBN 978-0-19-562417-5.
  6. ^ Das, Suhasini (2004). Noakhali:1946. Dhaka: Sahitya Prakash. p. 13. ISBN 984-465-373-8.
  7. ^ Ghosh, Partha S. (2013). Refugees and Migrants in South Asia: Nature and implications (PDF). Nehru Memorial Museum and Library. ISBN 81-87614-70-6. Archived from the original (PDF) on 10 June 2014. Retrieved 17 September 2013.

Revert the possible vandalism

Plz check the Hinduism in Bangladesh Wikipedia. A guy User ID 92.40.182.219 is constantly removing the bytes and reliable source for what reason I don't know. He is constantly removing all the important bytes of Hinduism in Bangladesh wikipedia. Plz someone check it out it protect the wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4065:107:9d6:af86:9122:ef64:f166 (talk) 05:46, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

You are using false sources look at the source given its based on nationlistic claims from the grand hindu alliance its not crediable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.182.219 (talk) 05:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Don't teach

It's based on Bangladesh Bureau of statistics numebers on 2019 year. Read the source carefully. The source clearly mentioned "as per Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics, there are around 2.5 crore Hindus, which is 15.7 per cent of that country’s total population". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4065:107:9d6:af86:9122:ef64:f166 (talk) 06:05, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

According to grand hindu alliance which is false look it up only they gave such figures and its statistics not census so stop removing census data — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.182.219 (talk) 06:32, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

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