Talk:Historic Columbia River Highway

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lower Columbia River Highway[edit]

Although this page is a redirect from the Lower Columbia River Highway link, there seems to be almost nothing about Oregon Highway 2W, signed as US 30, the nearly 100-mile long stretch of road between Portland and Astoria. 192.235.1.34 19:18, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Historic mileposts[edit]

These are noted in the ODOT log, and appear to be measured from near Burnside Street and Sandy Boulevard in Portland:

  • 17 2.80
  • 18 3.79
  • 19 4.78
  • 20 5.78
  • 21 6.77
  • 22 7.77
  • 23 8.81
  • 24 9.77
  • 25 10.78
  • 26 11.86
  • 27 12.73
  • 28 13.78
  • 29 14.78
  • 30 15.81
  • 31 16.89
  • 32 17.78
  • 33 18.81
  • 34 19.79
  • 35 20.78
  • 36 21.77
  • 67 51.32
  • 68 52.16
  • 73 57.08
  • 74 58.14
  • 75 59.13
  • 76 60.13
  • 77 61.13
  • 78 62.15
  • 79 63.12
  • 80 64.12
  • 81 65.11
  • 82 66.09
  • 83 67.11
  • 85 69.07
  • 86 70.06
  • 87 71.06
  • 88 72.05

--NE2 01:44, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Full list of contributing and other historic properties[edit]

Source: [1][2] (CS*) and the 1983 nomination (lettered)

[In 2022, the 2000 NHL nomination is available at Robert W. Hadlow (February 4, 2000). "National Historic Landmark Nomination: Columbia River Highway / Historic Columbia River Highway". National Park Service. Retrieved January 12, 2022. With accompanying 33 photos. It lists contributing structures, with lettering (e.g. CS3 - Sandy River (Stark St.) Bridge, No. 11112) but maybe not identically to 1983 NRHP nomination? --Doncram (talk) 21:24, 12 January 2022 (UTC)][reply]

CS1 Columbia River Highway (HAER OR-36 data)

Segment 1 - Sandy River (14.2) to Warrendale (38.5)
N/A
Segment 2 - Tanner Creek (41.7) to Cascade Locks (45.8)
N/A
Segment 3 - Hood River (65.8) to The Dalles (88.48)
N/A

--NE2 05:34, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

History notes[edit]

  • 1937: old alignment abandoned in Multnomah County (where?)
  • 1941: survey approved, Troutdale to The Dalles
  • Portland to Troutdale
    • 1943: survey approved, Portland to Bonneville
    • 1948: Sullivan Gulch Highway added, Burnside Bridge to Sundial
    • 1958: old alignment became Hwy 59 and Hwy 123, Portland to Fairview
    • 1965: old alignment abandoned, Sundial Road to Rooster Rock (A&R 435), Sundial Road (A&R 438): minor pieces
  • Troutdale to Cascade Locks
    • 1935: old alignment abandoned, Eagle Creek (A&R 20): Toothrock Tunnel?
    • 1937: new alignment, Bonneville Dam
    • 1937: new alignment, Eagle Creek to Cascade Locks
    • 1941: survey approved, Dodson to Bonneville
    • 1943: survey approved, Portland to Bonneville
    • 1944: old alignment abandoned, Bonneville to Cascade Locks (A&R 117)
    • 1945: Troutdale Bypass added
    • 1950: old alignment became Hwy 125, Troutdale to Dodson
    • 1951: old alignment abandoned, Dodson to Bonneville (A&R 231)
  • Cascade Locks to Hood River
    • 1942: survey approved, Cascade Locks to Hood River
    • 1943: survey approved, Cascade Locks to Viento
    • 1947: survey approved, Cascade Locks to Mosier
    • 1952: old alignment abandoned, Cascade Locks to Herman Creek (A&R 228): Forest Lane
    • 1964: old alignment became Hwy 283, Cascade Locks
  • Hood River to Mosier
    • 1947: survey approved, Cascade Locks to Mosier
    • 1953: old alignment abandoned, Hood River to Mosier (A&R 262)
    • 1956: old alignment abandoned, Hood River to Mosier (A&R 256)
    • 1957: old alignment became Hwy 26, Hood River
    • ca. 1960: spur at Hood River added
    • 1974: Button Bridge added as a spur at Hood River (A&R 546)
  • Mosier to The Dalles
    • 1918: "middle route" survey adopted, Mosier to The Dalles
    • 1936: short piece at west entrance to The Dalles abandoned (A&R 35)
    • 1942: survey approved, Mosier to Rowena, Rowena to The Dalles
    • 1951: survey adopted, Mosier to The Dalles
    • 1952: spur at Mosier added
    • 1955: old alignment became Hwy 292, Mosier to The Dalles
    • ca. 1962: spur at The Dalles added
    • 1963: old alignment became Hwy 292, The Dalles
    • 1964: old alignment abandoned, The Dalles to The Dalles Dam (A&R 368)

--NE2 03:41, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

History sources[edit]

  • [3]
    • 2006 Master Plan has a brief history
    • 1996 Master Plan appendix has some bridge years and status of old road, and related legislation
    • NHL Nomination has detailed history (this looks like the best for general history of the road)
  • HAER data linked above has a brief history plus details on the specific feature

--NE2 03:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keystone signs

--NE2 01:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1939 Bonneville Dam area aerials --NE2 07:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

journal articles --NE2 10:37, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Various designations[edit]

--NE2 22:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Details of segments between Dodson and Hood River[edit]

Dodson to Warrendale
  • Three stone culverts on (south?) frontage road
  • I'm confused about the exact path here.
McCord Creek/Warrendale to Moffett Creek
  • Covered by I-84 [6]
  • Stone culvert found in between [7]
Moffett Creek to Tanner Creek
  • Mostly covered by I-84; trail used all available portions
Tanner Creek to Eagle Creek
  • New construction required in areas, including over east portal of Toothrock Tunnel
Eagle Creek to Cascade Locks
Cascade Locks to Herman Creek
  • Old pavement exists south of south frontage road
Herman Creek to Wyeth
  • Mostly covered by I-84; small piece of old pavement south of the old weigh station (where?)
Wyeth to Starvation Creek
  • Mostly covered by I-84
Starvation Creek to Viento
  • ?
Viento to Mitchell Point
  • Portions of old pavement on the Wygant Trail
Mitchell Point to Hood River
  • Portions of old road remain, partly as Westcliff Drive

--NE2 21:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notable bridges and tunnels[edit]

--NE2 21:19, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I-84 bridge dates[edit]

  • 1992 over 181st
  • 1992 over RR
  • 1996 over 201st
  • 1996 under Fairview
Fairview to Bonneville, two-lane; four-lane freeway [10] [11]

[12] [13] [14]

  • 1996 over 223rd
  • 1998 under 238th
  • 1999 under RR
  • 1958 over Marine
  • 1948 EB, 1958 WB over Graham
    • 1992 Graham over RR
  • 1949 EB, 1959 WB over Sandy River
  • 1946 over Crown Point
  • 1960 under Corbett Hill
  • 1939 over Latourell Creek (Rooster Rock Culvert)
  • 1957 under Rooster Rock
  • 1945, 1960 under Bridal Veil
  • ? over Wahkeena Creek
  • 1946 over Oneonta Creek
  • 1949 WB, 1960 EB over RR, Frontage
  • 1961 WB over Warrendale
  • 1962 EB, 1998 WB over McCord Creek
  • 1950 WB, 1962 EB over Moffett Creek
  • 1950 WB, 1962 EB over Tanner Creek
  • 1951 WB over Tanner Creek Road
Bonneville to Cascade Locks, 1937 two-lane; 1969 four-lane freeway [15]
  • 1936 EB Toothrock Tunnel
  • 1969 over RR, Eagle Creek
  • 1969 over RR, Ruckel Creek
Around Cascade Locks, four-lane freeway [16] [17]
  • 1962 over US 30
  • 1962 over Moody
  • 1962 over Ruckel
  • 1962 EB over US 30
Cascade Locks to Hood River, 1953 two-lane; 1966-68 four-lane freeway [18] [19]
  • 1952 over Herman Creek
  • 1965 under Forest
  • 1965 WB over Herman Creek Road
  • 1965 WB over Wyeth
  • 1965 WB over Viento
  • ? over Service
  • 1963 under US 30
Hood River to Mosier, 1953 two-lane; four-lane freeway
  • 1952 WB, 1964 EB over Jaymar
  • 1953 WB, 1964 EB over RR
  • 1953 under 2nd
  • 1953 EB, 1962 WB over Hood River
  • 1953 WB over US 30
  • 1953 over Rock Creek
  • 1953 under US 30
Mosier to Chenoweth, two-lane; four-lane freeway
  • 1953 over Mosier Creek
  • 2001 over RR
  • 1954 WB over Rowena River Road
  • 1954 WB over Taylor-Frantz
  • 1954 over Chenoweth Creek
  • 1997 under River
Chenoweth to The Dalles, four-lane freeway
  • 1957 WB over Hostetler
Through The Dalles, four-lane freeway June 29, 1964 [20] [21] [22]
  • 2005 over US 30
  • 1964 over US 30
  • 1964 over RR
  • 2003 over Union
  • 1964 under Riverfront Park
  • 1964 under US 30/197
  • 1964 over RR
  • 1961 over Fifteenmile Creek
  • 1954 over Dalles Dam access

--NE2 11:42, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Historic Columbia River Highway. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 12:09, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Added a note about the current closure.[edit]

And attempted to clean up some formatting, but mangled it instead. My apologies!

complete set of individual bridge photos (and articles?)[edit]

Hey, IMO a complete set of individual bridge photos here oughta be included in List of bridges on the National Register of Historic Places in Oregon, instead of just mention that there are multiple bridges on this NRHP-listed highway. And in this article. And perhaps there should be a separate article about each one, or at least a section or a row in a table describing each one. Can this be collected? --Doncram (talk) 16:20, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I guess basically I think that the detailed list of contributing structures, etc., collected above by User:NE2, oughta be filled out and used in this article. And have Eagle Creek Bridge (currently a redirect to Eagle Creek (Multnomah County, Oregon), which does not much cover the bridge) needs IMO to be a link to a separate article on the bridge, or to a section or table row explicitly about the bridge, with bridge name in bold and with photo(s). And ensure that category Category:Bridges on the National Register of Historic Places in Oregon and other suitable categories are attached to the article or to the redirect (to a section or table row). And similarly for all the items in schematic diagram within "Route description" section, e.g. for "Toothrock Viaduct" which looks like a redirect (but is in fact just a local redirect "#Toothrock Viaduct", while Toothrock Viaduct is currently a redlink). The local redirect just links to Historic_Columbia_River_Highway#Toothrock_Viaduct i.e. to the top of the schematic diagram itself, sort of misleading readers to think they can get to additional info. I think it needs to be a proper link to an article on it or a proper redirect to a section or table row on it, with a photo, etc.

I see that Talk:List of bridges on the National Register of Historic Places in Oregon#Perhaps add Dry Canyon Creek Bridge and others of Historic Columbia River Highway, a discussion from 2008 involving me and NE2, makes the same suggestion. It remains to be done! --Doncram (talk) 16:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To advance this, I wonder if one could best proceed by expanding the table at List of bridges on the National Register of Historic Places in Oregon#Historic Columbia River Highway to include all the items in the "Route description"? Or work to draft a table not in mainspace, say at Talk:Historic Columbia River Highway/Bridges? Because this article is indeed very nice and complete in its own way now, and there would be a lot of mess here if this were developed directly in this article. User:NE2, what do you think? --Doncram (talk) 16:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See also Talk:Crown Point (Oregon), partly about whether Crown Point Viaduct is a bridge or not. And i asked for help at WikiProject Oregon. --Doncram (talk) 19:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Historic_Columbia_River_Highway&oldid=1207547189"