Talk:Horacio Verbitsky

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Superintendance of Security[edit]

This is not right. Please, do not forget he was part of the guerrilla and he was involved in many bomb attacks against militars and civilians. He was a member of the intelligence of Montoneros (guerrilla group). Before you publish anything from this man double-check your sources. Thank you.

This is not right:" Along with Mario Firmenich and five other Montoneros, he was indicted for allegedly being involved in the planning and execution of the bombing of the Superintendance of Security of the Federal Police, on July 2, 1976 — a few months after the military coup — which caused 21 deaths among intelligence officers". See also Horacio Verbitsky in spanish--Erensto (talk) 00:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)erensto (from Argentina)[reply]

"Uno de esos intentos difamatorios incluyó la denuncia de un sobreviviente al atentado a la Superintendencia de Seguridad de la Policía Federal. La presentación fue rechazada por el fiscal Álvarez Berlanda; la jueza María Servini de Cubria y la Cámara Federal. Tal avanzada había sido la respuesta directa a la intervención de Verbitsky en la “causa Simón”, en la que el juez Gabriel Cavallo; la Cámara Federal y, por último, la Corte Suprema habrán de declarar la nulidad de las leyes de Punto Final y de Obediencia Debida.[11]--Erensto (talk) 00:13, 10 April 2009 (UTC)Erensto[reply]

CV-like section removed[edit]

I've removed the following "conferences" section--which appears to list book fair and speaking appearances--from the article as nonencyclopedic. If this information is truly notable, I suggest it be re-introduced in prose form (i.e., paragraphs). Khazar2 (talk) 01:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Conferences[edit]

  • In the European Bank for Reconstruction & Development, conference «La deshonestidad: la diferente actitud de las empresas en el hemisferio norte y en el sur» (November 1998).[5]
File:HV York.jpg
Andrés Jaroslavsky (Amnesty); Trevor Sheldon (Deputy Vice-Chancellor) y HV, in the University of York (2011).
  • In USA: in the Americas Conference, organized by The Miami Herald; with Peter F. Romero (Assistant Secretary of State) and Susan Segal (president from Council of Americas); (September 2004).[10]
  • Italy (May 2006):
    • In the Book Fair Turín, with The silence.
    • In the University of Milan.
    • Seminar organizated by the University of Rome y the Latinoamerican Institute from Italy.[11]
  • In Norway: conference «América Latina – Sobrevivir a la dictadura», in Kapittel Festival; Stavanger (September 15, 2007).
  • In Spain: Casa de América and the Festival de la Palabra de la Universidad de Alcalá, by Juan Gelman (April 22, 2008).[12]
  • In the University of Florence, conference «Giustizia e Desaparizione» in Polo delle Scienze Sociali (October 23, 2008).
  • In Columbia University open to International Conference "Voces del Sur en la Agenda Global de Derechos Humanos" with Oscar Vilhena Vieira (directory of Conectas Dereitos Humanos) and Maja Daruwala (directory of The Commonwealth Human Rights Initiative en India -CHRI-). in Jerome Greene (Law), 410 West 117th St., New York (March 23, 2011).
  • In Washington DC, conference over DD.HH., organized by the American University (April 28, 2011).[19]
  • In Italy: seminar over the Catholic Church (September 2011).[20]
  • In the Universitat Ramon Llull, FC Blanquerna, (Barcelona); Spain. Conference: "Els reptes del periodisme actual" (November 15, 2011).[22]

link[edit]

Can I add this link Pope Francis and some still dirty secrets from Argentina’s so-called dirty 'war' to the article? --Cyrus Grisham (talk) 19:20, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cyrus, I'm sorry I didn't see your note two days ago. I've removed the additions from this source for now because of three concerns. First, I'm not familiar with the website offnews.info and I'm not sure if it qualifies as a reliable source by Wikipedia standards. Second, I'm concerned that to include such a large amount of information from the website is to give it undue weight in the article, unless these charges against Verbitsky have been taken up by other significant sources as well. (If so, let's attempt to draw on more than this website alone for the sourcing.) Third, I'm concerned that the phrasing does not appear to be neutral. Sentences like these--" Jacobo Timerman, the famous Argentine editor jailed by dictatorship, would later ask how was it that his former employee Verbitsky, well known as a former Montonero intelligence official, was allowed to live undisturbed in Buenos Aires during the worst of the military repression? To which others added: How was it that Verbitsky could be mentioned, by name, in a book read by the same vicious military he opposed in armed struggle, and not be bothered?"--appear to clearly be building a case against Verbitsky in "Wikipedia's voice". It would be better to say something like "Author Martin Edwin Andersen, writing on the website offnews.info, accused Verbitsky..." Just my two cents. Thanks for your work on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 03:35, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

  1. ^ "Misión cumplida"; Página/12, August 14, 1992; pp. 4.
  2. ^ Página/12, january 22, 1995.
  3. ^ "Trabajo práctico", Página/12, October 8, 1995.
  4. ^ "Van a lograrlo, vamos a lograrlo", Página/12, August 23, 1998.
  5. ^ "Hacen falta dos para bailar un tango"; Página/12, November 15, 1998.
  6. ^ "Cuenta corta y cuenta larga"; Página/12, May 16, 1999.
  7. ^ "Solo buenos amigos", Página/12, October 2, 1999].
  8. ^ a b "La hora del juicio"; Página/12, February 11, 2001.
  9. ^ «Las metas del milenio», Página/12, January 20, 2002.
  10. ^ "Mucho, poquito o nada", Página/12, October 3, 2004.
  11. ^ "La reaparición de los desaparecidos", Página/12, May 14, 2006.
  12. ^ Video, Alcalá.
  13. ^ "Medios y democracia", Página/12, June 1, 2008.
  14. ^ "Universales", Página/12, October 12, 2008.
  15. ^ Video de la OEA
  16. ^ Video CELS.
  17. ^ Página/12
  18. ^ Photo con Dana Priest
  19. ^ Página/12, April 30, 2011.
  20. ^ Página/12, October 2, 2011.
  21. ^ University of York
  22. ^ Ramon Llull University

Problems with blockquote in section on "AMIA - Nisman"[edit]

As of 2019-01-26 this section began by saying: "Página/12's Verbitsky commenting on justice corrupted:

The three offices of the Attorney General's Office of San Isidro were raided on December 30 by the federal judge of that same district, Sandra Arroyo Salgado. The search was part of the most important judicial case to this day regarding the sale of illegal drugs. The case links the most shocking files of drug-trafficking: the Unicenter shopping mall murders, the ephedrine trafficking case, the arrest of the Colombian drug-dealer nicknamed "Mi Sangre" ("My Blood") and the smuggling of almost a ton of cocaine into Spain for which the brothers Gustavo Adolfo and Eduardo Juliá were arrested and convicted in Barcelona. In a surprising turn of events that shows the complicity of public agencies with those crimes, the head of the Attorney General's Office of San Isidro, Julio Alberto Novo, was indicted for cover-up and violating his duties as a public official. The investigation determined that Adolfo Juliá's defence lawyer and his sister-in-law are close collaborators of Novo in positions of responsibility in the Buenos Aires province attorney's offices. In addition, Novot's private secretary was in touch with the defence lawyer of one of the criminals involved in the Unicenter shooting. According to federal attorney Fernando Domínguez, Novo and other indicted people would be responsible for "obstructing and frustrating the legal development of the process in which the murders were investigated". They are indicted for, in short, obstructing justice.<ref>[http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/179325/views-and-opinions-from-yesterday%E2%80%99s-newspapers ''The Buenos Aires Herald'': Sunday columnists round-up / Views and opinions from yesterday’s newspapers. Monday, January 12, 2015.]</ref>

Concerns:

  • The phrase "Adolfo Juliá's defence lawyer and his sister-in-law" is confusing on two grounds: First, it sounds like "Adolfo Juliá" is one person, but from the preceding context, it sounds like it's two -- and brothers, at that. Second, the reference "his" is confusing: whose "sister-in-law": that of "Adolfo Juliá" or the "defence lawyer"? When I first read it, I thought it was the sister-in-law of "Adolfo Juliá", but it seems that "Adolfo Juniá" is two people and not one, which would mean that "his" would not be correct.
  • There is a reference to "Novot", which I cannot find elsewhere in this passage. I assume that's "Novo", but I'm not sure.
  • I tried to check this by going to the source (http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/179325/views-and-opinions-from-yesterday%E2%80%99s-newspapers) and got "Network Solutions: This Site Is Under Construction and Coming Soon."

I decided to report it here, because I don't know enough about Verbitsky to fix any of these problems easily. Thanks, DavidMCEddy (talk) 15:20, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Russian or Ukrainian[edit]

@Andriy Salystyi: The reference cited says in plain Spanish, "Bernardo Verbitsky, son of Russian immigrants was born in Buenos Aires in 1907 and died in 1979." (my translation)

The documentation says Bernardo Verbitsky was the son of Russian immigrants. I think we should leave it that way, unless we have some solid reason to question the veracity of that source. At minimum we should not delete a reference that seems legitimate. If you find another reference that says that Bernardo Verbitsky was the son of Ukrainian immigrants, I think it would be good to mention that source in the same footnote, e.g.:

  • "<ref>[_______________ _________] says, "Bernardo Verbitsky was the son of Ukranian immigrants. Another reference, [https://mgimo.ru/files2/z09_2014/Hediger.pdf Literature on immigration in Argentina: Contributions of immigrants], says "Bernardo Verbitsky, son of Russian immigrants was born in Buenos Aires in 1907 and died in 1979" (in Spanish). Per ________________, Verbitsky is a Ukranian name meaning "willow".</ref>": In this case, the text should read, "His paternal grandparents were Ukrainian-Jewish immigrants", as you indicated.

or

  • "<ref>[https://mgimo.ru/files2/z09_2014/Hediger.pdf Literature on immigration in Argentina: Contributions of immigrants] says "Bernardo Verbitsky, son of Russian immigrants was born in Buenos Aires in 1907 and died in 1979" (in Spanish). However, per ________________, Verbitsky is a Ukranian name meaning "willow".</ref>" In this case, I think the text should still read, "His paternal grandparents were Russian-Jewish immigrants."

Accordingly, I'm reverting your change.

Thanks for your work in trying to improve Wikipedia. DavidMCEddy (talk) 08:42, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Error[edit]

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https://www.miamiherald.com/2014/05/31/4148124/andres-oppenheimer-pope-carrying.html

https://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/16/3290895/argentina-embraces-francis-its.html --Angelfari15 (talk) 21:50, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Thanks. DavidMCEddy (talk) 22:30, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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