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Requested move 28 February 2024[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Despite the final vote tallies, there is no consensus for the move, the opposes had a more policy based argument, and moving the page would have added a unnecessary disambiguator, the article may still be split later, but it is too soon as of right now. Geardona (talk to me?) 01:25, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Horizon: An American Saga → Horizon: An American Saga – Chapter 1 — In addition to including the subtitle on the poster, we should create a separate article for the second chapter. These are two (potentially four) separate movies. The official page for the movie on the Warner Bros. website includes the title with Chapter 1. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 00:00, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support renaming this page since Horizon: An American Saga should be for the film series. 199.127.61.137 (talk) 12:48, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support these are all seperate films in an overall series. TheMovieGuy

Oppose For a number of reasons. First, not sure that format meets the naming conventions for film. More importantly, there isn't enough content to support a single article at this time. Propsing a move for more content is putting the cart before the horse. You may or may not ever produce a substantial enough article to require multiple articles. That should be done first and then if necessary, split. (Also, there's a procedural problem here - you've got two open discussions - one for a split and one for a move. Although neither is necessary for the reasons stated, you should be starting with the split first, and let that go complete first before requesting a move for the remainder - or do them as a single proposal.) ButlerBlog (talk) 03:44, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- the film series was originally announced to include four feature films. The fact that the first 2 are being marketed as a "two part event" is superfluous. They will be four distinct movies, with the next two entering production later this year (see this Reference for context).--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 19:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support rename per official title and use in sources. Yeoutie (talk) 17:17, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support ~ HAL333 10:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The two films should have discrete articles per Wikipedia standards. NathanielTheBold (talk) 23:28, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Splitting proposal[edit]

NO CONSENSUS

There is no consensus for the split.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I propose that the section about Horizon: An American Saga be split into a separate article called Horizon: An American Saga – Chapter 2. Each individual film should have its own article. Thoughts? ScottSullivan01 (talk) 00:00, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support These are all individual films in part of an overall series so all of them should have separate articles. It's like the avatar films or lord of the rings or etc. any other film series. Fear street. Lots of examples. TheMovieGuy

TheMovieGuy (talk) 00:32, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - You're putting the cart before the horse. There isn't enough content to support a single article yet, let alone 2. This is a start class article with only 7k of prose. So for a size split it's not even close. see WP:WHENSPLIT Build out the article first, then propose a split (or bold split). But there is not a reason to do that at this time. (Also, you have an open MR - you should actually close this and allow one discussion at time)

ButlerBlog (talk) 03:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- see my statement in the previous conversation^. There will be 4 separate movies. Even if we do what Butlerblog's angle suggests and wait for the first installment to release -- as this is going to be a film series, it will need to be split into 2 articles. Once that is done - then it should be renamed.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 19:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose there is not enough information to support a second article at this time. This reminds me of the Rebel Moon article discussions. Yeoutie (talk) 17:17, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose -- Really have not enough content to merit a second article yet. Rusted AutoParts 09:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.