Talk:Hugh Hepburne-Scott, 6th Lord Polwarth

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Launchballer talk 08:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • ... that when Hugh Hepburne-Scott informed his grandather, the 3rd Earl of Marchmont of his intention to run for Berwickshire, he bitterly resented his intervention and a violent family quarrel ensued? Source: [1] "When Hugh Scott informed his grandfather of his intention, he therefore had little hope of obtaining his support. Marchmont, in fact, bitterly resented Scott’s intervention and a violent family quarrel followed."
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Created by GoldenBootWizard276 (talk).

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GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 01:57, 4 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I came across this article as it has a Copied and pasted section tag. Paragraphs 1 to 5 of the political career section closely paraphrases the 1964 History of parliament source. This is not Public Domain in the USA as the copyright was restored there per these links. There is also exact copying such as "bitterly resented Scott's intervention and a violent family quarrel" and "rival interests of the Earl of Home and the anti-Marchmont independent voters". Therefore, this DYK nomination cannot pass due to the amount of close paraphrasing/copying in this article. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • As soon as this is rewritten, this may be eligible again as a newly-expanded article.--Launchballer 08:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Questions[edit]

Can I ask what "returned on his grandfather's interests" means? Are references to "Scott" to Hepburne-Scott or Walter Scott? Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mutt Lunker: It means that he was returned on the interests of Hepburne-Scott's grandfather (the 3rd Earl of Marchmont). The references to "Scott" were to Hugh Hepburne-Scott, 6th Lord Polwarth, I have changed them to avoid confusion. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 18:14, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, regarding the clarification as to which individual Scott is, though is the Scott whose intervention was resented Hepburne-Scott or someone else? To be "returned on (someone's) interests" is not an expression I have encountered and I can only speculate as to its meaning. Could you please clarify? Mutt Lunker (talk) 18:36, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mutt Lunker: "returned" means that he was returned as Member of Parliament for Berwickshire and "on his grandfather's interests", I think means that his grandfather supported his return (i.e. it was in his interest). I will probably edit the article to make it clearer. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 18:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was assuming this meaning of "returned" though as this is largely a British usage, I have added an explanatory link. If Paterson had already been returned as MP, how could others be then putting themselves up as candidates?
I'm also now assuming that the phrase "on his grandfather's interests" is a quote from a source. Do you have the full passage?
Assuming Scott in the last sentence of that paragraph is Hepburne-Scott, I assume the grandfather resented H-S's candidacy, not that "Hepburne-Scott's father, Walter Scott opposed Marchmont in local politics.", as it may appear with the current placing of that sentence, followed by "So,". Would the sentence be better placed at the end? Mutt Lunker (talk) 20:33, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From Paterson's and the Berwickshire consituency's articles it appears he was elected in a 1779 by-election and H-S's candidacy was in the subsequent 1780 general election. If this is the case, such clarification in the article would be beneficial. Mutt Lunker (talk) 20:51, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should the named be rendered as the double-barrelled Hepburne-Scott or is Hepburne not simply a middle name? The first of the references simply calls him Hugh Scott and his children appear to be plain Scotts. The hyphen would indicate his marriage to an heiress called Hepburne but his wife's maiden name was Brühl, so this can not be the case. Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:10, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've just clocked that the article is largely a copy and paste of your third reference. You must remove this material immediately. Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mutt Lunker I checked on Earwig and it was alright. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 22:08, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are whole passages lifted verbatim; this is very not alright. Earwig is not there to see if you can exonerate yourself from what you are fully aware you are doing. There is the side issue that, per above, you are lifting and inserting passages for which your understanding is evidently unclear. There is no need to ping me; I am watching this page. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:26, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok well I have removed the material. My apologies. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 03:09, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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