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Bill Murray and Hunter Thompson poolside

The rumored encounter between Hunter and Bill in the article is indeed a rumor. Bill Murray recounted the actual event during an interview at the Brooklyn Academy of Music. An article about the event can be found here.

excerpt: "He also told a story about meeting Hunter Thompson, long before he played the writer in "Where the Buffalo Roam." They spent a 1970's afternoon together in Aspen, horsing around a hotel pool. Murray -- who incidentally didn't know the identity of his companion -- decided to try a Houdini act and had Thompson and others tie him to a deck chair with socks and throw him in the pool. He directed them to drop him only at about five feet, so he could poke his head above water if it took too long to untie the socks. After sinking to the bottom and slowly making headway on the knots, he decided to come up for a breath but discovered he couldn't straighten himself while strapped to the chair, while the men above water had lost interest and turned to other distractions. Murray almost drowned."

Is someone able to integrate this information in? I am new to wikipedia editing and I would prefer not to screw something up or change it drastically and it is clear some of you are more familiar with this article than I am. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjgarris7 (talk • contribs) 19:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

This is a fine anecdote, but does it really need to be in the article? Perhaps it goes in Bill Murray? ahess247 (talk) 23:35, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Thompson an anarchist?

The lede states that Thompson was an anarchist, but the article does not mention this anywhere else and gives no supporting source. I have read his non-fiction works extensively and do not recall him ever advocating the abolition of all government. What is the rationale/justification for labeling him an anarchist? He certainly had the image of one, but is it that enough for him to called one here? 69.249.55.6 (talk) 23:13, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Seconded. Should be removed from lede, and the corresponding category should be removed. Thompson was more of a left-edge-of-the-party Democrat, and not always even left edge (he firmly supported Carter in '76). Speaking of which last: no mention here of his coverage of Carter's "Law Day speech"? Hunter was literally the only reporter on the scene (he was there because he was following Ted Kennedy around at the time), and his account of this speech was a significant factor in launching Carter as a realistic presidential candidate. - Jmabel | Talk 06:08, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Documentary film

I realize that we have an IMDB link for Thompson. One recent film probably stands out enough to merit mention in the article: Gonzo: The Life and Work of Dr. Hunter S. Thompson (dir: Alex Gibney). Documentary by an Oscar-winning director, focused mainly (but not exclusively) on the period 1966-1976. Nuch about his run for mayor o Aspen, about the '72 presidential campaign, and a good bit about Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Probably merits an article in its own right, certainly, I would think, merits a mention here. - Jmabel | Talk 06:04, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Football season is over

Are we sure it's accurate in the section on Thompson's death when it says his suicide note-ish thing was delivered to Anita four days before his death? I mean, when you get sent a suicide note from your husband while he's still alive, you might be concerned. You'd probably put your husband on suicide watch or something. And if you're going to commit suicide and want to send your wife a suicide note, but you want it to get to her four days before you die, why even go through the trouble of writing it? Suicide notes are meant to be found after someone's death, not before. Let alone four days before. Is anyone absolutely positive that that section should say "before his death"? Can someone source that? And maybe explain why that was the situation? Who writes a suicide note four days before you kill yourself? Seems most suicide notes would be written same-day, maybe even one day before. But not four. VolatileChemical (talk) 23:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I am also curious about this.Obviously, Hunter was not like "most" people, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were true. The thing that's odd is that the original Rolling Stone article (which is used as the citation here) says that he wrote the note, then killed himself four days later. That article does not actually say the note was "delivered" to Anita, but is a bit vague in saying he "left the grim missive for Anita, his young wife." The article does seem to imply that she found it four days before his death, because otherwise how would they have known it had been written that far ahead of time? It doesn't say that there was a date written on it, though I suppose that detail could have been left out. All articles that state that the note was "delivered to his wife" four days prior seem to reference the Rolling Stone article. Tough to say.24.231.220.24 (talk) 08:24, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
I have edited the wording of this line to better reflect the source material that is being cited. If anyone can find a citation that states that the note was specifically "delivered" to Anita, but doesn't itself reference the Rolling Stone article as a source, then feel free to change it back. Possibly an interview with Anita herself that clarifies the situation? It may seem a bit nitpicky, but saying it was "delivered" to her makes it sound as if he gave it to someone to give to her four days before he died, when the original article states it was left for her. I think it's important to be as accurate as possible when recounting the circumstances surrounding one's suicide and their final days.24.231.220.24 (talk) 08:45, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

What was his name?

Does anyone actually know that Hunter S. Thompson was his real name? Did I miss something in this article, or does it not explain why his parents' names are not like his? And was his first name really Hunter, or Humphrey? Has anyone seen a birth certificate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.176.39.254 (talk) 18:11, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

His mother's name was Virginia Thompson (for verifacation see letters addressed to her in "The Proud Highway" and "Fear and Loathing in America"); the article gives her maiden name. I don't know about his father. But as I can't disprove what the article says, I won't change it (I assume it gives his first and middle names, leaving off the obvious "Thompson"). As to Hunter's first name, I have never heard it was anything other than Hunter. 69.249.55.6 (talk) 01:53, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Having heard that rumor myself, I sent in to the Office of Vital Statistics of the Cabinet for Heath Services for Kentucky to procure a certified copy of his birth certificate, and received it yesterday (December 23, 2009). Hunter Stockton Thompson was born on July 18, 1937, to Virginia Davidson Ray, age 29, and Jack Robert Thompson, age 42, in Jefferson County, Kentucky. "Humphrey" was never his name nor nickname. Mark Burstein (talk) 18:43, 24 December 2008 (UTC)Mark Burstein

Trip Lucid

Who is Trip Lucid? Most of the Google hits only reference his name it seems, someone ought to do the article or maybe just remove the reference to this Trip Lucid person, obviously not a real name, maybe a redirect somewhere would be appropriate for that red link. Thoughts? Information? 208.82.225.232 (talk) 08:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Song played during funeral?

Is there a source for stating the song played at his funeral was what is in this article? Over on the article for the song Spirit in the Sky it is claimed that Spirit in the Sky was played at his funeral. Which article is wrong? Neither cites a source. Wynn3thd (talk) 02:10, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Doug Brinkley talks about it in Rolling Stone. Simon (talk) 15:39, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

2,500 words?

Could someone who has the book referenced in note 18 please check the accuracy of the page count of the original Fear and Loathing essay submitted to Rolling Stone? 2,500 words is barely ten pages of double-spaced lines of pica type, it couldn't possibly be correct to fit the description in the quote in the following sentence. --Captain Infinity (talk) 10:20, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Funeral section

This last sentence makes no sense "The video footage of Steadman and Thompson drawing the plans and outdoor footage showing where he wanted the cannon constructed were planned prior to the unveiling of his cannon at the funeral."  ?? Did they mean played? I don't get it. 67.220.24.68 (talk) 04:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Universal Life Church

Thompson ordained himself as a Universal Life Church (ULC) minister online via theMonastery.org. Ministers are able to perform marriages and other religious practices. Please reference Famous ULC Ministers [1] for more information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CurranWhite (talk • contribs) 06:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Lead section

79 kB and one paragraph? Needs expansion to summarize the article. Viriditas (talk) 22:10, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Saigon, Health Insurance

are we sure Thompson didn't have health insurance while in Vietnam as this sentence from the article states: "While there, Thompson learned that Wenner had pulled the plug on this excursion as well, and Thompson found himself in Vietnam without health insurance or additional financial support." I was flipping through a book in Barnes and Noble titled something like "Gonzo" and I am pretty sure this was disputed as a fictional element inserted into Thompson's account of his experience. 98.233.175.157 (talk) 16:48, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Conflicting Information Regarding the Hells Angels?

From the autbobiography article:

The relationship broke down when the bikers suspected that Thompson was only friends with them so he could make money from his writing. The gang demanded a share of the profits and after an argument at a party Thompson ended up with a savage beating, or 'stomping' as the Angels referred to it

From the article about the novel

Thompson remained close with the Angels for a year, though ultimately the relationship deteriorated when several members of the gang gave him a savage beating or "stomping" over a trivial remark made by Thompson

Just wondering which statement is accurate, or are both true? Neither have sources directly after them, and they both seem to say very different things. As a large Hunter fan I would really like to know, since both statements are totally possible. The Strategist (talk) 11:11, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

The autobiography statement appears to be in error. The latter statement is largely correct and is supported by several sources. The "trivial remark" in question consisted of Thompson claiming his motorcycle was faster than the one owned by a fellow Hell's Angels member. Viriditas (talk) 11:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
SO the statement from the Hells Angels book is more accurate? If it is I will change it accordingly The Strategist (talk) 04:53, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Are you asking if the book is more accurate than the article? If so, then, the answer is yes. Thompson is on record in several interviews speaking about the incident. Where does the "share of the profits" thing come from? Viriditas (talk) 09:39, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Owl Farm

Moved from the article, added by 173.35.229.115. Better discussed here. Added citation needed to what is in article.

Actually that's not correct. According to 'Gonzo: The Life of Hunter S. Thompson' an oral biography by Jann Wenner and Corey Seymour, 'Owl Farm' had gotten it's name from a stuffed owl that Hunter had.

(John User:Jwy talk) 17:07, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Popular slogans

I removed the following from the article because it has been fact-tagged for a year and looks like original research. There is one website linked within the text, but it does not look like a reliable source to me, even if it were formatted as a reference. If these truly are "popular slogans," they should not be that difficult to source. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 03:01, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

A slogan of Thompson's, "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro", appears as a chapter heading in Kingdom of Fear. This quote is verified by a database on Hunter S. Thompson which includes a list of other famous Hunter S. Thompson quotes including his famous sloganized prayer from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas "You better take care of me Lord, because if you don't you're gonna have me on your hands." He was also quoted as saying, "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me" along with "It never got weird enough for me." Another one of his favorite sayings, "Buy the ticket, take the ride", is easily applied to virtually all of his exploits. "Too weird to live, too rare to die", a phrase applied to Oscar Zeta Acosta (Thompson's attorney from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas), has been widely used to characterize the "Good Doctor" posthumously. In Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas he coined the term "bad craziness". He occasionally used the phrase, "There are many rooms in the mansion" in his non-fiction writings.

The Hawaiian word "mahalo" also frequently appears in Thompson's works and correspondence. Loosely translated, it means "may you be in divine breath" or "thank you". On more than one occasion, "mahalo" followed Thompson's usage of "buy the ticket, take the ride". "Mahalo" is sometimes replaced with the untranslatable Hebrew word "selah".

Death Of An American Writer

This external link was removed from the "Obituaries.." section... yes I am the writer, but not the publisher. Just curious what etiquitte I've broken. I did not callously link my name to my online portfolio. Thanks in advance of any explanation---Hstisgod (talk) 05:50, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

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I have reverted since the edit revealed no copyvios. --Saddhiyama (talk) 16:13, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

WTC story

I've moved the following from the article (added by 87.232.100.225). It needs to be wikified and is WP:OR. Some of this information is probably reasonable to include in the article, but as it is, its not "encyclopedic":


Hunter Thompson was working on WTC collapse story before his mysterious sudden death, and he was warned that he'd be 'suicided'

This from The Toronto Globe and Mail February 26, 2005:

Hunter telephoned me on Feb. 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn't always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He'd been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: "They're gonna make it look like suicide," he said. "I know how these bastards think . . ."

Hunter S. Thompson ... was indeed working on such a story.

Now check out this February 25 Associated Press story about Thompson's death. Sounds a lot like a professional hit with a silencer:

"I was on the phone with him, he set the receiver down and he did it. I heard the clicking of the gun," Anita Thompson told the Aspen Daily News in Friday's editions.

She said her husband had asked her to come home from a health club so they could work on his weekly ESPN column...

Thompson said she heard a loud, muffled noise, but didn't know what had happened. "I was waiting for him to get back on the phone," she said.

(Her account to Rocky Mountain News reporter Jeff Kass is slightly different: "I did not hear any bang," she told Kass. She added that Thompson's son, who was in the house at the time, believed that a book had fallen when he heard the shot, according to Kass' report.)

Mack White sums up the questions well:

Thompson's family says he was not depressed, nor was he in enough to pain to kill himself. In fact, by all reports, he was quite happy. He was talking on the phone to his wife, getting ready to work on his column, when he decided it would be wise to kill himself, so that he could go out (we are told) while "still at the top of his form," even though this would mean not finishing his column or his expose on 9/11 (potentially the most important thing he would ever write) (?)...

RELATED: Hunter S. Thompson Suicide Story Changes;

This account says Thompson killed himself while sitting in a chair on his typewriter and yet the original account tells us that Thompson shot himself while talking to his wife on the phone in the kitchen. Why has the story changed andwhat is the significance of the word typed on the paper in light of the fact that Thompson said he would be 'suicided' before being able to release a major story on explosives bringing down the twin towers?

(John User:Jwy talk) 03:11, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


That was an admitted hoax debunked years ago. 69.249.55.6 (talk) 21:33, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

There is no proof, or sources of it being debunked anywhere. Provide some, or stop lying. Someone needs to include this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.162.195.229 (talk) 02:35, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

This WTC story is nonsense and has been debated here ad nauseum. It will remain out of the article. As I wrote and documented here previously, the entire basis of the "Toronto Globe theory" was fictitious phone call written as a dramatic introduction to an obituary. There was no phone call to Paul Williams by HST on this subject. Get the full text of the article (not just the first few paragraphs) and you will find this is true. This is a very old debate that was settled by vote of numerous contributors in 2007 it is no longer up for discussion. ahess247 (talk) 19:59, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Sports Correspondant.

I may be wrong but I was under the impression that most of his most notable articles and his most sucessful book came from Jobs as a sport Correspondant and I though it should be mentioned in the opening. does anyone else feel the same way?(Morcus (talk) 07:28, 13 February 2011 (UTC))

You are incorrect.ahess247 (talk) 19:58, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Rum Diary release date

Every source I have checked says the release for The Rum Diary film has been pushed back to 2009. -Unsigned

It was, is, and always will be "The Rum Diaries". Not "Rum Diary". "The" is important, pluralized "Diaries" is key. RobVaughn (talk) 09:30, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Came out in 1999 then a rewrite in 2000, and reprinted in in 2012. What the <blank> "sources" have you checked?! It's all here:
http://www.amazon.com/Rum-Diary-Hunter-S-Thompson/dp/0684856476/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1322299183&sr=1-1 RobVaughn (talk) 09:30, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
http://www.amazon.com/Rum-Diary-Hunter-S-Thompson/dp/1451659717/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1322299183&sr=1-2 RobVaughn (talk) 09:30, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Short story that was folded in The Rum Diaries: http://www.amazon.com/Screwjack-Short-Hunter-S-Thompson/dp/0684873214/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1322299183&sr=1-3 RobVaughn (talk) 09:30, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Needs

Article still needs a lot of work.

1) We're missing an entire section on HST's college lectures which introduced him and his work to new audiences in the 1970s through the 1990s. This need not be long, and can probably be documented using the Peter Whitmer book, and a few other sources. This is not an insignificant matter, as these lectures kept HST in the public eye during a period when he was generally publishing less new material.

2) The list of documentaries is overlong and reads as if promotional blurbs were used.

3) There's no list of published biographies and there have been something like a dozen, most published since HST's death. Their relative merits should be summarized. ahess247 (talk) 20:13, 26 February 2011 (UTC)


It's also missing a list of the actual, published works by HST. There's a whole lot of stuff other than the stuff he wrote, which is absurd, since the guy is probably one of the best writers of his era.--58.170.100.128 (talk) 09:05, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Can you be more specific? ahess247 (talk) 17:51, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
0) Thompson made up the baseball team schtick (ref: "Fear and Loathing: The Rolling Stone Years" @ http://www.amazon.com/Fear-Loathing-Rolling-Stone-Essential/dp/1439165955/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_3) but ran track as a sprinter (ref: "The Proud Highway: Saga of a Desperate Southern Gentleman, 1955-1967 (The Fear and Loathing Letters, Vol. 1.)" - ref: @ http://www.amazon.com/Proud-Highway-Desperate-Gentleman-1955-1967/dp/0345377966/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_10.
Has anyone bothered to read his letters or check out photos? RobVaughn (talk) 09:30, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Medical issues

It says that when Thompson died/committed suicide, that he had numerous medical/health problems, but it doesn't say what. Just exactly what was he suffering from??? Thanks in advance to anybody that knows. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.7.21 (talk) 13:17, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that. It reads as if he was driven to suicide by health problems whereas the sources cited make it seem like more of an action than a response.137.111.13.200 (talk) 01:37, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Suicide Conspiracy

I see nothing in the article about the alleged conspiracy surrounding his suicide. I have just heard about this for the first time tonight, thought I might find something here about that but no. Is there any editor here who has any more insight about this? --The0ther (talk) 08:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

The "suicide conspiracy" was decided long and based on an erroneous reading of an article that imagined a fictitious plot to make his death appear a suicide. It will remain out of the article permanently and any efforts to bring it back will be edited out immediately.

birthplace

The page for Horse Cave, Kentucky claims he was born there. 85.157.155.247 (talk) 20:01, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

His father was born there. Even if Hunter spent his early years there, does it have a maternity ward? I assume he was born in Louisville. Farrtj (talk) 22:07, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Main Picture

Can we please get a better photo of the Dr. of Gonzo? This man led a revolution of freaks and long-haired hellhounds. The old potbelly photo doesn't serve him justice. The good doctor needs a better photograph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.170.250.103 (talk) 05:19, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Reminder about Suicide conspiracy material

This is just intended to serve as a reminder that any additions to the article concerning a suicide-murder conspiracy of HST have long ago been debunked as fiction and misunderstanding of an incomplete reading of an article in which that material first appeared. All references to it in the wikipedia article on HST will be deleted. They are not "claims" and they are not "disputed theories," or anything of the kind. They are simply not true. See previous discussions on this topic for references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.229.246 (talk) 14:26, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Hari Kunzru Quote

The quote is not from where the footnote points. 110.174.175.251 (talk) 01:57, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

reactionary faxes?

§ Later years says

Better Than Sex: Confessions of a Political Junkie, his account of the 1992 Presidential Election campaign, is composed of reactionary faxes sent to Rolling Stone.

Reactionary? Thompson's politics were certainly not monolithic, but he was generally far left of center. I haven't been able to find anything about this in the reviews I've looked at, and I'm wondering if the editor was trying to say that the faxes described his reactions to the campaigns. Taking the word out. Please {{Ping}} me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 03:33, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

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After completing all tutorials and beginning to better understand how the wiki world operates I spent a good chunk of time reviewing this fantastic source about a media literacy staple,the creator of Gonzo Journalism, Hunter Thompson. All areas are appropriate length with working source links. I clicked a few links as I read and they all worked appropriately by taking me where they said they would. I was looking forward to adding a few inserts of facts I knew from my own research but they were already there, citations and all. One of them for example, was the tidbit about how he copied word for word on his typewriter a few classic works, in order to get a feel for writing a great novel. One of which was The Great Gatsby. Alas, it was right where it should be, under his Early Life. The entire page is authored with no bias and no incorrect citations. SDagley (talk) 03:22, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

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