Talk:Hurufism

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lettrism[edit]

What distinguishes Hurifizm from other sufis and mystics is the centrality of the letter form in the hurufi system - NOT the centrality of Naimi, Nasimi or any geographical location. As such it is self evident that the systems of Hurufizm and Lettrism are one - this needs no source, it is simply a matter of translation from English to Arabic

I'm sorry, but claiming some sort of connection between a Sufi order and an obscure modern-art movement needs more evidence than just the fact that "Hurufism" translates to "Lettrism." Did you even look at the Lettrism page to see what you were referring to? Also, please sign your comments. Mjk2357 19:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i did look, and unlike you i also engaged!! - there really isn't much difference between the 'obscure modern-art movement' that is basically a small group of young poets and the 'sufi order' which is basically a small group of young poets! 62.25.106.209 15:01, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Provide a reference. I see a huge difference between any sort of 20th-century French art movement and Sufi mystics. How did one influence the other? For example, were some of the French Lettrists interested in Sufism? Did some Sufis begin making modern art? Otherwise, all you have is a coincidence of translation. Mjk2357 15:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

lol! even for people who declared themselves to be God it is just not on to practice modern art in a pre-modern era! as for sufi lettrists, try Mohamed Dahou, Cheik Ben Dhine or Ait Diafer. In any case I am not arguing for a historical link but a literal one! 62.25.106.209 15:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is not my responsibility to research sources for your additions. As long as you keep adding this rather outlandish assertion without sources people (not just me) will keep deleting it, so stop wasting your time. Mjk2357 16:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The influence of Sabbatainism (Sabbatai Zevi) and Hurufizm (Ali Al-Allah) on Bektashism[edit]

You can get some references by googling Sabbatai Bektashi, eg http://www.kheper.net/topics/Kabbalah/Zevi_and_Bektashi.htm http://www.donmeh-west.com/re-evaluation.shtml http://www.sunnirazvi.org/forum/read.php?f=15&i=3&t=3 Although soemone is removing the links from the Bektashi page for some reason... I think they are also removing links to Hurufizm. There are ongoing debates about whether Hurufizm is an Islamic or pagan or atheist discipline and so I think soem Bektashia maybe eager to distance Bektashism from either Sabbatainism or Hurufizm. Paki.tv 23:40, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks I will check the link

There are two types of Bektashiyya, actual Sufi tarikat that have tekkes in Albania and the like, if I am not mistaken. They may have grown more mainstream. But you also have Alevis who are Heterodox Shias and are more disorganized. I do not know exactly how these groups are related. I have never heard for Sabbatianism influence on Bektashism, it was in 17th century and Bektashis have formed in 15th... I doubt that, but may be.

I have added comments on my talk page to you with regards to Fazlullah. His actual name is Naimi and Fazlullah is his pseudonym. He never used name Hurufi for himself Abdulnr 02:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Names[edit]

Are Fadlullah and Fazlallah and Fażlu l-Lāh names for the same person? If so, is there any way of clarifying that for readers who are unfamiliar?--Rpclod (talk) 03:27, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to one external link on Hurufism. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 11:16, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to one external link on Hurufism. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 18:50, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Hurufism. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 03:32, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hurufism&oldid=1207674804"