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Special relationship

   The film recognizes (as a related article of ours IMO does not adequately do) that the idea of a "special relationship" between UK and US was not invented by Churchill (who notably enunciated it after Roosevelt's death, by using that phase -- 1946 at Fulton, MO?). Unfortunately, the film also apparently falsifies history in putting the phrase simultaneously in George VI's mouth, FDR's ear, and (IIRC) the ears of the American press, in 1939. The Roosevelts and the Royals ... does say [emphasis in both cases added by Jerzy]

Their efforts laid the foundations for renewal of what is now known as the special relationship ...

and

[FDR's son and daughter-in-law's] presence [proximate to George's coronation] attested to America's special relationship ....

Similarly, The Impact of Hitler ... says that

Having visited America in 1930, [PM MacDonald] believed in a 'special relationship' [between it and UK, and in its light,] wanted no special relationship with Japan.

   With that in mind, i'm adding the following comment within the accompanying article on the film (where it will be visible only to editors):

<!-- NOTE WELL: The King's use of the phrase "special relationship" in the film appears to be a creative choice by a scriptwriter, and the film would NOT be valid as a reference verifying such an event as historical! -->

--Jerzy•t 03:10, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

  Oh, more to the point, such a comment is needed in Special Relationship, and even tho i put it in the accompanying article, i was clear enuf about that being my focus that i reflected it in my wording. Now adding same comment at the other article.
--Jerzy•t 03:23, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Locations?

Where was the film shot? I didn't see a "filmed on location"-type statement in the credits unless it zipped right by me. There was a thank you to the UK film board. Does that mean filming was done abroad? I would be surprised if the producers got permission to use the real home in a film that centered around FDR's sex life, but the producers could have paid a fee to be allowed to do so and posted bonds, I suppose. I'm very curious and think this type of information would be a positive addition to this article. Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 05:47, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

This film definitely not shot on location. House did not look like that after 1915 when a third floor and two wings were added. So many things were physically wrong with this film depiction of the house. The producers would have benefited greatly by taking the tour at Hyde Park. It is very dark inside since it was originally build in the mid 1860's. In the house, the political cartoons hang in the entry way to the house, not in a bedroom upstairs. The King actually saw them when he first entered the house. Sara had asked them be removed before the Royals visit, but inexplicably it was not done. When the guides at the house tell the story, it is more believable, and much more amusing than in the film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas9070 (talk • contribs) 22:33, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

History

A user has taken umbrage with the fact that George VI and Elizabeth were in 1939 in the United States on a state visit from Canada. The user's reasons for such remain somewhat of a mystery, as the edit summaries for his two reverts merely alude to "bias", offer a personal attack, and then conclude with a "nope". Perhaps the editor could be so kind as to be more expressive here and explain just why he's deleting well sourced material. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 23:43, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I think that the editor gave a pretty good reason: Canada is never mentioned in the film. — goethean 04:34, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

King of England

I have removed the reference to the film showing characters refering to King George as the King of England. Whilst it is indeed factually incorrect it is quite common for Americans to refer to Britain/UK as England, therefore whether people "in film" say this or not it doesn't make the film itself factually incorrect. Aprhys (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:23, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Since when did the commonality of an error make the error no longer an error? You could add some sort of comment about the commonness of Americans' use of "England" as a synonym for "Britain" and "United Kingdom" (much to the pleasure of the Scots, Welsh, and Northern Irish, I'm sure), but it remains true that its untrue there was a king of England in 1939. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 13:27, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
The comment I removed was in a section dedicated to historical inaccuracies made by the film (not the characters depicted in the film). The point Im making is that it's not the film that is wrong to show people calling him the King of England because that is indeed how some people at the time in America referred to him - just as many in the present refer to Elizabeth II as the Queen of England (the most immediate example I can think of is in the lyrics of "Seven Nation Army" by the White Stripes).Aprhys (talk) 20:22, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
So, it's a historically accurate inaccuracy (even so far as it is apparently known the President used the term) and thus doesn't deserve mention? --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 02:13, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
not really because the section is about historical inaccuracies made by the film itself. If Roosevelt was depicted in a formal capacity as President (such as a speech) saying this then maybe but I'm not sure that he did. Aprhys (talk) 08:05, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

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