Talk:Hyoscyamus niger/Archive 1

Henbane and Pilsener Beers

It seems highly unlikely that Bavarian pilseners before 1516 contained henbane. The pilsener style of beer was invented in Bohemia (in what is today the Czech Republic) in the 19th century. There were no Bavarian pilseners before the Reinheitsgebot. If in fact the etymology of the name of the town of Plzeň is a word for "henbane," this would have nothing to do with pilsener beer, which was first created long after the town had been named. The beer is named after the town, not vice versa.--BenA 13:23, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, this is highly unlikely considering that pilsner beers were invented in the 19th century. I added a tag. Merenta (talk) 15:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't have a lot of details, but I recall reading in an American botanical book about henbane (at least 50 years old) that henbane was spread in the U.S. (esp. Minnesota) due to Germans having the plants and adding the seeds to their beer. Also, I know there is some recipe available for brewing a beer using henbane. I know this doesn't necessarily relate to Pilsen - but a search in google will probably turn up a lot (if not all) of the relevant info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.148.210.141 (talk) 09:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Of course henbane have never been used in the beer style Pilsener. Nor is the Reinheitsgebot very relevant for Czech beer, as it was a Bavarian law until around 1900. Whether or not the inhabitants of Pilsen used henbane in the beer centuries ago is somewhat irrelevant - except for a certain irony on behalf of the cleanness of the beer and the history of the plant from which the city takes it name. It is important to differ between the beer type Pilsener - which should never have henbane in it - and beers brewed in the city of Pilsen, of which Pilsener styled beers are the most famous. Of course they did brew other beer types, and they may have brewed something with hanbane at some point in history. However, I know of nobody that that can point to specific and historic documentation that shows a henbane beer from Pilsen. Anchr (talk) 11:35, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Pliny

Does anybody have the passage from Pliny that supposedly refers to the this? 128.114.132.227 (talk) 04:18, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Historical uses

It would be great if someone created a section dedicated entirely to the historical uses of henbane and included some of the things mentioned here [1] and somehow worked in the fact that Shakespeare's King Hamlet was murdered by means of henbane in his ear, because it's been somehow overlooked here? Burlapbra (talk) 14:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

• The Vikings are said to have used this plant because of its hallucinogenic properties. Additionally, it is often cited as an ingredient in Flying ointment. Someone with adequate insight in these historical uses should add this. JoaCHIP (talk) 21:44, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
• 1900 BC - "Grooved ware pots excavated at Balfarg in Fife have been chemically analysed to determine their contents. It appears that some of the vessels there may have been used to hold black henbane (Hyoscyamus niger) which is a poison and a powerful hallucinogen." See Grooved_ware article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.146.208 (talk) 14:25, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

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