Talk:Hypoallergenic dog breed

Breeds

The corgi is most indefinatly hypoallergenic. At least for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.138.179.218 (talk) 23:44, 30 September 2012 (UTC) What about Bouvier des Flandres?--Sonjaaa 13:53, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I realize this is just one person's account, but I can assure that the Cairn Terrier is most definitely hypoallergenic. I am in a constant state of itchy despair around my friend's Toto lookalike.

The research shows that no particular breed is "hypoallergenic" for everyone, but a specific allergic person may be able to tolerate one particular individual dog. Breed doesn't matter, the important thing is pairing the person with a specific dog their allergies can tolerate. I hope they are doing more research on that!--Hafwyn (talk) 06:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

The Airedale Terrier should be included on this list. Here is one reference: There are hundreds more references if you google "airedale hypoallergenic". Erb2000 (talk) 18:56, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

That reference doesn't appear to be reliable - they don't cite any sources for their breed list, and their understanding of allergies is quite poor. Just one example - dogs excrete allergens through their saliva, but that website is recommending basenji's (which clean themselves like cats) as a "hypoallergenic" dog.

If you can find a more reliable source, feel free to add it. Natalie (talk) 23:42, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

References

Speculation

Ignisdu (talk) 18:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC) I don't know the right 'wikipedia' rules but this page is close to total speculation. The most recent article in this field that I can find (I'm an Allergy Research Tech (Scientist Jr Grade :-) ) is M. Ramadour, M. Guetat, J. Guetat, M. El Biaze, A. Magnan, D. Vervloet (2005) Dog factor differences in Can f 1 allergen production Allergy 60 (8) , 1060–1064 doi:10.1111/j.1398-9995.2005.00824.x They conclude: "In any case, this work shows for the first time that factors exist which can modulate the concentration of Can f 1 on the hair of different dogs. This study also shows that Can f 1 quantities on the hair itself may vary significantly within the same breed. Independently of the qualitative nature of allergens, these results may explain why some allergic patients say they fear certain dogs more than others. The clinical relevance of these results is unknown so far, encouraging further study in order to better understand the mechanisms of Can f 1 production in dogs. In conclusion, there are few practical consequences. We can advise patients to choose Labrador dogs over another breed but the variability from one dog to another in the same breed shows that a ‘hypoallergenic dog breed’ does not exist. As dogs with seborrhea present more Can f 1 levels on hair than nonseborrheic ones, we can only advise patients to treat their dogs when they suffer from seborrhea."

I would think that this page should be almost completely deleted with the exception of stating that there is too much variability in dog allergens within breeds to say that any of the 46 breeds listed are hypoallergenic.

My 2¢ Ignisdu (talk) 18:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I wish you would add your 2 cents to the article!

"Hypo-" as a prefix means "below, beneath, deficient, lower, less than normal". A "hypoallergenic" dog, then, is one that's less likely to provoke allergies. Hypoallergenic does not mean non-allergenic. There is no such thing as a non-allergenic dog, but certain breeds are less likely to trigger allergies, making them hypoallergenic.Hypervigilante (talk) 02:56, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

What if someone took the information in the table of breeds seriously and had a fatal allergy attack? I think that table is dangerously misleading and should be removed.

Just speculation, but I find this article horribly misleading. There might be variations in breeds, but it is not so significant as to be the point of an entire article. I can tell you as a person with somewhat severe reactions to dog dander that certain breeds usually provoke reactions, and certain breeds usually do not. Usually being pretty damn close to 100% of the time.

This article should be a discussion on dogs considered to be hypo-allergenic, with a footnote about how allergenic a dog is can still vary between dog to dog, and the study around it. These studies should not be the only thing this article discusses. Further, a list of breeds considered hypoallergenic should be reinstated on the basis that anyone with severe enough reactions will have educated themselves on the fact that hypo-allergenic breeds have a reduced threat, not a non-existant one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.171.106.197 (talk) 20:34, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Updates

I took out statistics about percents of purebreds since it wasn't explained how this relates to the article here. The comments should be moved to the article on purebred dogs. Added some references about the speculative quality of the various lists of "hypoallergenic" breeds.--Hafwyn (talk) 15:13, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Size

Hi, Mlodew - can you please explain "the most crucial" in the new material you added? I think it's redundant. Either something is crucial or not. For instances, and for examples, should be avoided as they are not encyclopedic. If someone doesn't understand size and that the surface area of a bigger object is greater than that of a smaller object, this article is not the place for them to learn. What difference does it make how large a dog would have to be to produce a certain volume of dander? That is pointless information. What does "moreover" mean? Why would someone use that word? Sorry, but your editing of this article, though well-intentioned, is off-topic, verbose, incorrect, in the wrong place and not encyclopedia. That's why I shortened it to the information it contained, and supplied a reference. Please revise your content or I will revert it. Bob98133 (talk) 20:48, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

HiBob98133 I find your response to be supercilious and inappropriate. Beware who you are talking to - I may know more about editing than you do...

One of the points I wished to convey in this addendum was that size is important. The relevance of size is diminished by your editorial style. One sentence vs. an entire page (and chart) relating to breed minimizes this important point about size and body surface area.

As to the style of my prose, I take offense. There are plenty of examples listed above and below my addendums - why take issue with mine? I simply used Shetland Sheepdog and Poodle as Shetland Sheepdog represents a smaller version of the German Shepard listed above.

As for the "most crucial" phrase, this was deployed again to emphasize that our discussion of hypoallergenesis might be based on a myth- does breed really matter more than size? That is why I used that phrase which I think tightly gets the point across. Do you understand that the topic at hand is based almost entirely on word of mouth and not science? I do. Do you realize that my references are valid. Come on - look at the other references. Why not be fair with me?

Next response to your question (I don't think I understand) of "What difference does it make how large a dog would have to be to produce a certain volume of dander?" My Answer: Body surface area is defined through the units of weight and length and a complicated formula (or formulas). Dander is produced from pelt and fur and sebaceous (amongst other things) and dependent on body surface area. The point of an encylopedia is to convey the relevance of BSA to this. If I do not explain this to the reader clearly the point is lost.

Your comment on "moreover" is like a middle finger to me. Stop it with you being the end-all be-all editor of the world. If this is wikipedia and open source - embrace it. I understand that I have a day job and am not being completely meticulous with my editing but I would expect my "editor" to keep the spirit of the text.

Finally, I think you should recuse yourself from being editor on this subject. I suspect you have some emotional attachment to the subject matter that is impacting your editorial tact and grace.

Mlodew (talk) 22:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC)mlodew

Most crucial is redundant. I don't disagree that you have added importance to a topic by adding examples - just that it is not encyclopedic to do so. You have made the size of the animal assume undue weight WP:UNDUE for the article by devoting two entire paragraphs to something that can be said succinctly in one sentence. Since moreover means "in addition to what has been said", it, too, is redundant, since what you added after using moreover is in addition. Why say moreover? What does it add to the article? It's just sloppy. Don't quit your day job. Bob98133 (talk) 22:50, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

All dogs bark

Please add a citation for barking dogs, though it seems to make sense. Also you should add that even reputedly calm breeds can have hyper, excitable individuals, and even some individual toy poodles can be calm, marvelous companions. It has a great deal to do on the dog's rearing and training.--Hafwyn (talk) 01:06, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

NPR Story

I think there is excellent information in this recent NPR story, including statements by experts:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97071783

Please consider using some of the information in the article. Thank you very much.

Here are some salient excerpts:

Finding the perfect pup could be tricky, the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology contends, because there is no such thing as a hypoallergenic breed.

Shaggy dogs often get a bum rap, but allergens are actually in skin, not hair, the academy explains. The amount of allergen dander varies drastically from dog to dog -- even within each breed.

"Please don't believe the Internet that there is a breed or some variety of breeds that are going to be safe for you," says Dr. Robert Wood, director of pediatric allergy and immunology at the Johns Hopkins Children's Center, "because that clearly is not the case."

Several studies have shown a tremendous variability of allergen levels, even within breeds, Woods says. One study published in the journal Allergy in 2005 found that poodles had a huge range in the amount of allergen dander found in individual dogs. One poodle was a very low allergen producer, while another produced 60 times more allergens -- almost the highest of all the breeds tested.

One solution is to find a flexible breeder or shelter and take a dog home on trial. Wood says an allergy sufferer should be able to tell within two weeks whether the dog will trigger a reaction.

Northwest9999 (talk) 19:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC) I didn't realize it, but even hypo-allergenic breeds still produce allergens. Even hairless ones. http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-1911-Dallas-Pet-Scene-Examiner~y2009m5d5-Is-The-Portugese-Water-Dog-a-good-choice Lvonlehe (talk) 14:49, 6 May 2009 (UTC) Lvl

Table with pictures

The pictures are good addition to article, but now the formatting looks like the dog's breakfast. Can the editor who added this, or someone who knows how, make the spacing of this table look a bit more professional? Thanks - Bob98133 (talk) 13:55, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Effect of Barking

I removed the below listed section on account of it not having any citation, and the uncited material has been on the page for about two years now. If a credible source is ever found I've recreated the original entry here to be restored.

Effect of barking 

Excessive barking may also contribute to higher levels of allergen dispersal, as saliva and dander are projected from the animal during barking. Thus, many small breeds that are known for excessive barking may not be ideal, despite their smaller total body surface area. Those with dog allergy sensitivities seeking to adopt may wish to identify a small dog with a calm temperament.

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