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New ensign[edit]

2014-2022 and 2022-present are shown as one and the same, which is not so as per international standards. No idea about the standards used here. Kpbolumbu (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:26, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 new ensign section[edit]

The first message below by Kishore Editing was copied from User talk:The Discoverer.

Hi "The Discoverer". I've seen you've erased my edits on the most recent alteration of the Indian Naval Ensign, in favor of an edit made by you. Yet, when I re-edit that sub-section, you repeal that alteration, saying that it has to be concise. I'd like to make a clarification here.

{1}. You've reverted the sentence referring to the PMO's announcement of the ensign's upcoming alteration, saying there is no use. I disagree, since mentioning the ensign's revision, without stating the proper reason why, would not be nice. For example, the reason for the change back to the 2004-2022 ensign is mentioned - Indian sailors had a hard time distinguishing the old ensign from the sky and the ocean, from afar. Likewise, the current change to the present design (2022-present) also has a reason - the Indian Navy and the Government of India wanted a new design that "would dispose of the colonial past" and would "befit India's rich maritime heritage". That is a valid reason. Mentioning a change without a reason wouldn't exactly be appealing to readers. The decision to change the ensign has to be mentioned, since it is an event which is related to the ensign's history.

{2}. You said that you've re-edited the entire section just to make it concise, but the use of the word "concise" doesn't exactly apply here. The paragraph is neither convoluted nor long, and it is not difficult for readers to comprehend. The word "concise" would have been meaningful had the paragraph been too long too read, but it is not. There was no need to make that edit.

For good reason, please stop stop making these edits, which solicits neither any necessity nor urgency. Please leave the paragraph as it is. It already is good, has no pressing necessity for change and is already sufficient in information. Any further reverting of the paragraph in favor a version of yours would spark an edit conflict, which is profoundly unnecessary. Kindly understand. Thanks. Kishore Editing (talk) 09:50, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Kishore Editing, thanks for your message.

I suggest let's prepare a version that contains the best information available in our individual versions. I do not demand to retain exactly my version, but would request that some salient information from my version be retained, and some superfluous information be removed.

Regarding your point {1} above: You can see that my version contains the same reasons for the change. I haven't deleted the reasons for the change in the ensign.

Once the logo has been unveiled, what is the point in mentioning that the PMO had announced in August that it would be unveiled. This section is meant to speak about the ensign. The previous changes were also announced in advance but we have not noted in any section when the changes were announced. It is sufficient to mention the reason for the changes and what the changes are. Similarly it is not so relevant that it coincided with the commissioning of the carrier.

In my version the sentence 'In continuity with all the post-Independence versions, the current ensign features the national flag of India in the canton on a white field.' This information about the commonality with all the previous versions is missing in your version.

It is wrong to say 'the erstwhile emblem', because the anchor has not been changed in the Navy emblem. The emblem remains the same. The rope has only been removed in the ensign.

The information in the sentence 'The current ensign is similar to the 2001-2004 version in that both...' in my version is missing in your version.

Regards, The Discoverer (talk) 11:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Similarly with this edit, I don't understand the relevance of the announcement when the new design is already released. Moreover we have a separate section about the 2022 ensign, why do we need to speak about it here as well? The Discoverer (talk) 11:56, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Since you have nothing to say about the points that I have raised above, I have gone ahead and edited the article based on these. Please do not undo it again without discussion and consensus. The Discoverer (talk) 18:44, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kishore Editing please stop imposing your preferred phrases and summarily dismissing other editors' edits as you have done in these instances: [1], [2], [3], [4] and [5]. This high-handed behaviour is not how Wikipedia works. Please discuss constructively and build consensus. The Discoverer (talk) 03:47, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]