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Does IWM need a new title?

The Indiana State Government calls it the The Indiana War Memorial Plaza Historic District. This seems a lot more accurate. If you call it just a plaza, it is confusing, because that indicates it's one confined spot. The historical district itself contains a plaza, thus further confusing the issue. I suggest re-titling the article immediately. In this way, it could also include the Soldiers' and Sailors' Monument (Indianapolis), which is also maintained by the Indiana War Memorial Commission, and truly be considered a district. --Richard McCoy (talk) 16:56, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

No, because the Soldiers' and Sailors' Monument is not part of this. It is just a plaza, a few blocks long. The National Landmark Historic District includes the plaza and the library and federal building on the ends. This article is only about the plaza. The Monument is maintained by the same group, but it is absolutely not within the district as defined by the NHLD. This title is supported by this and The Encyclopedia of Indianapolis, among other sources. The Soldiers' and Sailors' Monument is a completely separate listing on the National Register of Historic Places. Reywas92Talk 18:37, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your quick reply. I think the link to the NPS supports the need to rename it a "Indiana World War Memorial Plaza Historic District," and then makes this article fit within that. I think it's problematic to define the historic district inside the "plaza," and not the other way around (it's inside out). Further, by having an over-arching article that deals with a district and also includes the S & S M will be more encompassing. Clearly, the S & S M, Central Library, and Federal building inform and are a part of of the District. The library and Federal building contain it.--Richard McCoy (talk) 19:39, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
The SSM is not in the NPS-defined Historic District. I'm not sure where why the state website phrases it that way, but the Indiana World War Memorial Plaza Historic District is disjointed and separate from the Soldiers' and Sailors' Monument. As you can see, this page from the state site says that the district is exclusive from the monument, but both are called Indiana War Memorials, which may cause confusion. The Plaza is the five blocks from the American Legion buildings to University Park, but the library and federal building are also historic buildings in the National Historic Landmark District. It would not be right to merge this with the SSM article, which is a separate place, although a closely related topic. Cheers, Reywas92Talk 23:09, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I understand your position about the SSM, which is operated by the same Indiana War Commission--that's what binds them together. I wonder what the thoughts are about expanding this article to be the as defined "Indiana World War Memorial Plaza Historic District," so that it includes the Plaza as it is defined here. --Richard McCoy (talk) 01:50, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this and SSM and this are bound together because they are run by the same people, but there is plenty of information of these unique topics so they should be separate articles. What definition are you looking for? The Indiana World War Memorial Plaza Historic District does not include the SSM. It includes the Plaza, library, and federal building, but the library and federal building are also independently notable topics, so this article covers only the plaza. Reywas92Talk 12:15, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. I'm glad we are thinking similarly. It seems the best thing, then would be an article about the IWWMPHD, which can contain this article then.--Richard McCoy (talk) 17:21, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Re-organization of the sections

I'm not clear as to why the sections have been arranged in this way. They do not work alphabetically or geographically. It would make sense to list them either North to South, or vice-versa. They seem random here, which disrupts the true and logical structure of the district. This should be re-worked immediately. --Richard McCoy (talk) 17:11, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

What are you talking about? The plaza includes, from north to south, the American Legion Mall, the Veterans Memorial Plaza, The War Memorial, and University Park. Reywas92Talk 18:41, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
I think I was a little east to west when I wrote this. Of course, you are correct. --Richard McCoy (talk) 19:21, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

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