Talk:Infamous (video game)

Awards

This section is misleading, and seems to include outright false information. IGN gave the gave "best script," but the line implies they also awarded "Game of the Year, Best Story, and Best Acting" among other honors. These appear to actually be "Golden Game Awards," which I don't think I've heard of and lack an actual entry or source. I thought at first maybe the GGAs were IGNs award show or something, but Uncharted 2 was IGN's game of the year. A simple Wikipedia search reveals well-sourced evidence that Uncharted 2 and CoD: Modern Warfare 2 swept pretty much every major GOTY award, with Assassin's Creed II and the Batman game getting honorable mentions from most fronts. Was this made up?214.3.138.234 (talk) 15:09, 10 June 2010 (UTC)Steve

Golems

The Golems are NOT mechanical. It is conduits who control them with well ... scrap metal./zeq2lite cool but infamous rocks

Game examples in description

In all cases, I do appreciate the use of these examples---they just are NOT required to explain or "describe the gameplay." You can simply put how the gameplay is, all of that stuff, but you don't NEED those examples. It's extraneous information. You never See Splinter Cell defined by the Playstation Only series Metal Gear/MGS. Or Valve's portal as a Microsoft title Prey. They just are NOT needed.

I completely understand the irony that Xbox titles are being used to describe this game for the PS3, but that is what I've seen the various reports of this game use to describe the gameplay, likely because these are the freshest examples. I'm not trying to slam the PS3, just not using original research. --Masem 22:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

"Some usage of copyrighted materials without permission of the copyright holder can qualify as fair use in the United States (but not in most other jurisdictions)."

What do you mean exceeds fair use? Fair use is when you don't have permission to use it..not how many images can be used. Check the wikipedia guidelines. I could upload 1000 pictures on this page if I wanted. Also, he's right. No use for MS titles for this game.

THAT DOES NOT EXPLAIN THE FACT THAT YOU SAID I CAN'T USE 5 images. Fair use just says you can't use images without the copyright owner's permission.

I do see what you're saying...but six is HARDLY over the top. Now 10 on the other hand you can argue.

See [[1]]. --Masem 01:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Quoting from the link:

Wikipedia's policy that is being cited as basis is from Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria items #3(a) and #8:

3. (a) Minimal use. As little non-free content as possible is used in an article. Short rather than long video and audio excerpts are used. Multiple items are not used if one will suffice; one is used only if necessary.

8. Significance. Non-free media is not used unless it contributes significantly to an article. It needs to significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic in a way that words alone cannot. The use of non-free media in lists, galleries, and navigational and user-interface elements is normally regarded as merely decorative, and is thus unacceptable.

The focus of both of these items of policy is to limit the use of copyrighted, fair use imagery as much as possible.

No, there is no hard set number for what is minimal, but this basically spells out you should only use as many non-free (as in copyrighted) fair-use images as necessary to convey the meaning of the article to the reader. In this case, this game JUST got announced, and we don't have any game info beyond the E3 news. Because it's hard to tell just from the images and the trailer what the game is like, using multiple non-free images would be violating both of these policies. No, it's not hard set, but if we don't police it now, a wikipedia editor will police it their way if they should find this page with this many images. --Masem 02:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh. Masem, I'm sorry. I think I should be more discreet. I understood we have to use less images as possible, but that's only IF we didn't gain permission to use these pictures. I got these pictures directly from Sony Employees at the SCE booth as I work for PSU.com---a media website invited to both the KZ2 conference and Sony E3 press event. I was given permission to use these images anyway I sought fit as long as they weren't sold for money. Does that make it better??? - PrinceofGames 19:11 (PST)

In addition, I have uploaded the copyright specifications to EACH picture used (I skipped this because I didn't have time---I fixed them all now.)

Even if they gave you permissions, this can cause problems, again from the above link:

Q: The copyright holder of these images said it was ok to use them on Wikipedia. Since they gave us permission, why can't you let us use it how we want? This is silly! A: Jimmy Wales, who is the founder of Wikipedia, took a stance against this class of copyrighted work in may of 2005. See this letter from him stating the new position vis-a-vis such works. Some of Wikipedia's policy descends from that letter, in particular Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Images_and_media item #3 which allows for the speedy deletion of any media tagged as used with permission or used under a non-commercial license.

Wikipedia supports the concept of downstream use for commercial purposes. I.e., any party is welcome to use the content of Wikipedia for any use, even if it means that such use results in a profit. This is an important concept to understand, and is fundamental to Wikipedia. See 'Mission of Wikipedia' above.

I'm not saying get rid of them all, but be aware that just because you got them from Sony doesn't mean they can be used freely.

Also, be aware that some of your images have appropriate fair use rationale or the like (at least as I write this, I see you say you're doing this, but make sure you include fair use rationale on those in addition to copyright). These could be speedily deleted without that. --Masem 02:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay. I understand completely. I also observed fair use rationale and removed 2 images that I felt aren't truly needed.

Contacted by Wiki Officer. Fine to use 6 for yourself.

Ok, but your images are still not tagged right and they're going to be deleted (by bots) if you don't correct them. Each of them needs a Template:Non-free media rationale and you need to include a something like Template:Non-free game screenshot as per Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline. --Masem 03:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Just did it :)

Nice table!!

Name per MOS

We probably should settle on how we're going to handle spelling of the name for this game here. MOS:TM does not have a case that matches this specifically:

• While "iPod" and "eBay" are cited as a allowable cases, this is only when that first letter is pronounced on its own. I can see stretching this for "in" in "inFamous", but, it's not like "nSider" or the like.
• Outside of these cases, we are to ignore any weird spellings; even if they state it is "inFamous" in commericial works, the advice there is that this should be titled and called "Infamous".

Thus, I would head towards "Infamous" as the name for the game per MOS. --MASEM 18:19, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I second that. If this article is to conform to Wiki standards, the title should be "InFamous". Druff (talk) 17:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Wiki standards? If it's its proper name than that is how it should be spelled.

Yes, Wiki standards, which are clearly laid out here: MOS:TM "Capitalize trademarks, as with proper names". "Follow our usual text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment". It doesn't matter if Sony or Sucker Punch refer to their game as 'inFAMOUS'. Druff (talk) 00:56, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Name

Ok, I know his first name is Dylan, but what's his last name? If he has one? --68.32.149.132 (talk) 05:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

--Actually, the latest interview from E3 seems to indicate that his name is Cole.[2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.69.188.61 (talk) 07:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I just found this out. I watched and was like, "Cole?! I thought you people said his name is Dylan?!" I'm just glad I know his full name now. Thanks! --68.32.149.132 (talk) 19:35, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

A complete rip off the Game Informer Article

Pretty much every thing in here is word for word copypasta of the Game Informer Article that they put out in their magizine. It needs to be changed into more of an encyclopedic form.

I would do it but...I'm lazy.71.12.141.18 (talk) 04:40, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

• Flagging for copyright violation. --Jack Zhang (talk) 03:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I've rewritten the article to summarize the Game Informer article, though I did this in userspace here. This is a drop in replacement for the current article (save for commented out pictures). --MASEM 17:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Replaced copyvio content with Masem's rewrite. --Jack Zhang (talk) 18:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Elecrity Recharge

The articule states coole cannot generate elecrity only manipulate it however of what ive played he does regenerate it, i just think it needs changing (unless im mistaken...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.89.192 (talk) 19:26, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

In the demo - he regenerates. But in the real game - he seems to require recharging at a power source. Grinding and Energy Shots with powered up Good Lightning Blast can recharge. Baaleos (talk) 22:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

You can regenerate in a way but it doesn't regenerate on its own, however, if you are out of change you can shoot a metal object contiusly untill there is electricity arching around it and then obsorb that for free. this works by zapping a dead body too, very handy in places where there in no power

PlayStation 3 bundle?

Could some one gather information about the PlayStation 3 bundle and then post it in this article?

You could "google" it but here are some links i have so far :

http://gear.ign.com/articles/986/986567p1.html

http://kotaku.com/5250483/infamous-ratchet--clank-get-ps3-bundles-%5Bupdate%5D

May 27, 2009.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.122.123 (talk) 02:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Play.com

The article states that Play.com is selling the special edition version with the Gigawatt blades code, however looking at Play.com this appears to be untrue. They are in fact giving a Beta code for Uncharted 2. I cant even see the special edition on play.com at all. I cant check the references as I'm at work and my computer blocks game websites, can someone check them to see if they mention play.com. I dont want to remove it from the article as I'm not sure if it would be considered original research odd as that may be. Thanks Dark verdant (talk) 12:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

you can only get the power by pre-order the game from Game Stop (that sticks for those who wanted the power but already have the game. Neoshadow1billion

Patch?

According to several European websites and forums, version 1.02 has been released through a patch (if it helps... Dutch: [3], Spanish: [4], French: [5]). However, I can't find any official source of the news. Perhaps the patch was only available for European countries? Otherwise I wouldn't know if the version should or shouldn't be updated. --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 15:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

voice cast?

Isn't this...obligatory for just about every article on a video game, movie etc? Or at lease putting in parentheses? 75.72.205.243 (talk) 20:02, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for answering so late, but you should read WP:GAMECRUFT.--Megaman en m (talk) 01:32, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Name : inFAMOUS ?

Hi.
If the game's name is inFAMOUS, what about renaming the article ? Draky (talk) 04:44, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

See MOS:TM. Basically, except in a few select instances, we use normal English capitalization for article titles and bodies despite what the produce wants us to think. --MASEM (t) 04:46, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Infamous (video game)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

GA review (see here for criteria)

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Very interesting read. If I ever get a PS3, I'll have to pick up this game.

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   The prose is my main issue. I did some copy edits for examples, but it still needs some massaging. Overall, look for redundancies and lengthy sentences. In the reception section, I'd cut back on the quotes, some don't seem to add much. Also, there are some style issues which would help.

• There are several instances of one or two sentences as a standalone paragraph. The only places I think are fine are the beginning and ending of the "Story" section. I'd try to balance the others more by either beefing up the short paragraphs or combine them to another related paragraph.
• The film and related products section are very short. I'd combine them into a single section titled "Film and related products".
• Are ten reviews and 2 aggregate scores necessary? I'd trim duplicate review scores. Perfect scores are fine, but how many 9/10 scores are really needed?
• Ref 5 from Game Informer should use {{cite journal}} instead of {{cite news}}
• Ref 6 from XPlay should have the title in normal case rather than all caps.
• Ref 26 needs some extra info for the citation.

1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   Most of the sources look reliable, but there are a few that I'm not familiar with. What makes the following reliable?

• MVC UK
• Play.tm
• Joystiq authors Kevin Kelly, Griffin McElroy, and Andrew Yoon.
• Ars Technica

1. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   The looks to be everything and more I'd expect from such an article.

2. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   Article looks to portray the info from a neutral point of view.

3. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

   Edits have not been too erratic and there doesn't seem to be an edit war occurring.

4. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Some FURs are a bit sparse, particularly the descriptions and purposes. Some beefing up wouldn't hurt. Also, the cover caption could use some more info, but what's there is fine.

5. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   I'm putting the GAN on hold for now. I'll check back in to see if the above issues get addressed.

(Guyinblack25 ^talk 05:57, 7 August 2009 (UTC))

I'll get to the other aspects later but I wanted to address at least the sourcing issue:

• MCV is a UK weekly video game business weekly, targetted to the makers and not consumers. It's also a sister publication of Develop for game developers.
• The first two Joystiq people are being used as sources for interviews with Sucker Punch staff , so it's less about their fact checking than the interview parts. The articles from Andrew Yoon are more informational - but I would argue that few of the points stated are contentious as to require rigorous sources (eg, the date of the soundtrack's release, for example); Yoon is the East Coast editor for the blog and thus on the editoral staff for Joystiq
• Ars Technica is a sister publication to Wired, and has similar editorial standards.
• Play.tm is a more niche outfit, but the specific article being used is, again, an interview with Sucker Punch, and where there's overlap in questions, the responses there agree with what's stated elsewhere, so it should be ok. More importantly, the interviewer, Luke, is the lead content editor, and owns the parent company whos video game info has been used in other publications. Yes, not necessarily obvious but seems perfectly fine here. --MASEM (t) 16:35, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
• And just to follow on, everything but a copyedit (as first the first bullet point under Criteria 1) has been done. --MASEM (t) 16:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
• And now I've tried to give it a copy edit, and tried to remove extraneous quotes in the reception section. --MASEM (t) 15:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll give the article another read today then. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:09, 11 August 2009 (UTC))

I believe the content has improved to meet GA standards and have passed the article. It would have a decent chance at FAC, but a few copy edits from some experienced wordsmiths would probably give it that edge it would need to pass. Also, some of the FAC reviewers may or may not agree with the reliability of a few sources. Overall, good job Masem. Keep up the good work.

If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 22:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC))

Soundtrack

A CD was released that has three extra songs. I think the extra songs should be added. You can find it on Amazon.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.78.48.138 (talk) 23:49, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Cole McGrath Article

Cole will be showing on several games from now on, even outside the inFamous franchise. He is now the main character for inFamous and inFamous 2, and will show on Street fighter x Tekken, and also there is a DC comic book about him. Shouldn't a separate article be created for him as a character? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.40.16.139 (talk) 21:20, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

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ARTICLE DOESNT EVEN DESCRIBE GAME AS BEING FIRST PERSON OR THIRD PERSON

The first thing in the first paragraph should state if this is a third person or first person view type of game! Not only that, but the entire article doesn't mention that, I still dont even know for sure(im assuming its 3rd from screenshots ,but why has nobody written this in)! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gawdsmak (talk • contribs) 15:34, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Cole MacGrath has a son? The rumor of InFamous 3

People say that there will be 3rd. I don't know what it will be but seriously, people spread rumors because in the 2nd part, Cole died and the 3rd's character is his son, Ash MacGrath, is this even true? Some said yes and some said no, but I say no because I saw the release, it was still Cole, but he looks like a white zombie. In Google, I saw the character was ASH but in the cover was COLE. So, what do you think, yes or no, is it real? The InFamous 3 is not yet released, to see all InFamous releases, see in search InFamous (series). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.204.35.123 (talk) 04:57, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

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