Talk:Islam in Assam

Edits

Please, stop removing sourced information. If you have issues with the sources then lets discuss here. --45.123.13.164 (talk) 15:33, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

The article is about Islam in Assam and not about immigrants of Assam. Immigrants from Bangladesh has nothing to do with religion as they constitutes both Hindus, Muslims and other religious groups. The COI noticeboard discussion may be relevant. I am removing it so please do not add back without consensus. --45.123.13.164 (talk) 04:57, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

This book can be put as ref for Deshi people of Western Assam https://books.google.co.in/books?id=8bg0DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA15&lpg=PA15&dq=goria,+moria+and+deshi+communities+of+assam&source=bl&ots=yOV4xdVrfx&sig=ACfU3U3hQGzZQpqHs1x9AanLQ1OCj3TW5Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJu43zssfnAhX4zTgGHZ2HDWA4ChDoATAJegQIChAB#v=onepage&q=goria%2C%20moria%20and%20deshi%20communities%20of%20assam&f=false

Socio-Economic Status of Deshi Muslims of Goalpara District, Assam (India) By Dr. ABDUL WAKIL ALI — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wahabdr (talk • contribs) 16:50, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Map issue

The map showing % of muslims in districts of assam is completely wrong... Pls review it Arkadeep Dey (talk) 15:22, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Scope of this article

The scope of this article seems to be creeping towards "Islamic Conquest" of Assam. Medieval conquests and the Muslim immigration It should rather be about the Islamic religion as it has developed in Assam. @Fylindfotberserk:, would like your comments. Chaipau (talk) 17:05, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Chaipau: I'm skeptical on removing history on Muslim migrations since articles like Islam in Uttar Pradesh, Islam in Kerala and Islam in Punjab, India do mention it. I agree that the sections can be reworded, copy-edited and toned. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:18, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: the problem with listing out invasions is that none of them succeeded politically, and they were unsuccessful in establishing Islam in Assam. There were attempts made every quarter century, probably, from 1206 to 1671. If we take this approach to its logical conclusion, then we might as well call this article "Islamic Invasions of Assam". But this is about the Islamic religion in Assam. And for most of its history, the Islamic religion was represented by the sufism of Azan Fakir. This emphasis on medieval invasions and modern invasive immigration as presented in this article is highly political in the current political climate, so we should be mindful about some political interests in this narrative. I am OK with creating a different Islamic Invasions of Assam as a separate article where each attempt is listed. Currently these attempts are listed in Kamarupa, Kamata kingdom, Ahom-Mughal conflicts etc. Chaipau (talk) 17:42, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Why not call it History of Islam in Assam? SalamAlayka (talk) 17:48, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Chaipau: I was thinking of a fork too Islamic Invasions of Assam, then again History of Islam in Assam might not be a bad title for this one. To note Islam in West Bengal seems to in line with your thinking. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:54, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk and SalamAlayka: we must not conflate invasions by Islamic rulers and Islamic religious invasions. We should deal with "History of Islam in Assam" in this article. It should cover the history of the spread and growth of the religion, and also the historical impact it had on Assam's society as well as the impact Assam's society had on the religious communities. The only attempt that partially had a success in Assam was Allauddin Hussein Shah's control of western Assam in the early 16th century for about a decade. Mir Jumla in the 17th century went farther east, but had no impact on the religion. In fact Mir Jumla's chroniclers were disgusted with the Muslims they found in Assam. Therefore, we should mention these invasions only when it is relevant to the growth and development of the Islam in Assam. But all invasions, regardless of success or failure can be listed in Islamic Invasions of Assam. Then again, what do you call the Battle of Saraighat—it was definitely not an Islamic invasion... Chaipau (talk) 18:17, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

History of Islam in southern Italy is a similar example. It is mostly to show the history of Muslim interactions (including Turks and Persians) in Assam. I agree it may not be wise to title it invasion. I think History of Islam in Assam is a good name, if not that then Muslim conquests in Assam. SalamAlayka (talk) 18:22, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Or we can create a separate History of Islam in Assam article if WP:FORK permits, which will include the Battle of Saraighat and as well as all the other relevant stuff (conquests and invasions). Then we can have a small succinct section titled the History of Islam in Assam in this article with a ink to the fork. The style will be similar to the Islam in Punjab, India article. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:30, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

It depends on how much material we can find for the History of Islam in Assam. From what I know we can accommodate that here in this article. We can definitely fork it when it gets substantial. What I am trying to emphasize here is that the military invasions had minimal influence. The Islamic invaders failed to create a lasting ruling regime. Yes, they left behind some POWs, at most, who married into the local communities and then their descendants fought against later Muslim invaders. So it makes no sense to include these invasions as integral to the development of Islam in Assam. Chaipau (talk) 19:18, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Fact checking Illegal immigration

Can someone please fact check the claim that 10 million muslims in the province are Illegal immigrants. It seems highly unprobably and very suspect that over 70% of the total muslim population in Assam would be through illegal immigrations especially in todays political climate

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