Talk:Jack Burris

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Jack Burris is presumed to be notable because he has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject. Secondary sources include web sites^[1]. These secondary sources are noted in the references and include the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation website^[2].

Calling law enforcement a secondary source on a crime is a stretch. Primary/self-published is closer to the general understanding. The article promises to list news and book coverage. That would be considered WP:reliable source interest demonstrating notability. Please note that I tagged the article after Google News and Google Books searches came up empty. • Gene93k (talk) 22:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Burris was a politician who "have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members and former members of a national, state or provincial legislature" as per notability requirements.^[3]. Odestiny (talk) 17:59, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If Jack Burris held one of the above offices, please name and cite it. County officials are not automatically notable per WP:POLITICIAN. • Gene93k (talk) 22:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He's notable because he was an official that was assasinated and listed on the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation site. It may be a stretch, but it still meets. In addition, the news coverage of the murder, photos included from that time were heavy. Google hasn't indexed many periodicals yet. I had it tagged as under construction but someone removed the tag. However, I think it meets the guidelines better than many (See Irv Maze, Michael O. Freeman, Andrea J. Cabral. Unlike someone like Chuck Rosenthal today, there was less TV coverage and .com links to use as references in 1952. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Odestiny (talk • contribs) 06:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Local officials are not automatically notable. The counties you cite cover major cities (pop. 800k, 1m+, 700k). Mayes County doesn't quite reach 40,000. Please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS under arguments to avoid. If a local politician's electorate is under 50,000 (some say 100,000), he or she should have references ready. • Gene93k (talk) 10:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As for the {{underconstruction}} tag, a Bot removed it after 10 days. The tag is meant to reduce edit conflicts on articles actively being worked on. • Gene93k (talk) 10:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please name some of the "several books and screenplays" mentioned. Also, the second half of the article is completely unsourced and reads like a conspiracy theory. If the references are out there, please cite them. • Gene93k (talk) 10:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will continue to work on the article. The second half reads like a conspiracy theory because I was adding material in a note manner while under construction. I have a disabilily and could not work on this and other articles as well as I would have liked in a timely manner. This unsolved crime is so well known, I expected others to add to the content so fast I wouldn't need to dig it all out. I'm not a conspiracy nut, and not trying to make one out of the article. I just happened to be visiting the area in 1979, was in the library looking for historical material, and remember the librarian telling me about the documentary filming. She said how amazing it was, the number of books based on this murder even though it was a small town. She gave me a list of the books she believed were based on it. I still have it, but I have not had time or ability to find all this old stuff in storage yet. She showed me one of the books (the cover had the image of an unspooled reel of audio tape on it) and the address of the author whom I visited and later made notes on. A television station from Tulsa had just done a piece on Slim Weaver because of the documentary filming and talk of a movie to be made about him. I met with him, Barry Chase from the Pryor Jeffersonian newspaper (and I think owner Haskell Gaither) and two staff from Oklahoma state Univeristy. We drove the route shown in the documentary as Weaver pointed out the same things he had discussed in it. We then went to Pryor and met with the people who made the documentary. They are the ones who told me about the screenplays. Weaver was the quintessential southern sheriff in a time of liqur wars in Oklahoma involving organized crime from Dallas and bad guys in the state Bureau of Investigation. All the makings of a good movie I guess. It should all be verifiable, and I will work on that. I can put the underconstruction back if needed. I will contact those mentioned above and see if I can't get others to help add support to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Odestiny (talk • contribs) 14:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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[2] ttp://www.ok.gov/osbi/History/1950_Timeline/index.html

[3] ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28people%29

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