Talk:Janet Woollard

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Luke Woollard[edit]

I've removed the Luke Woollard section for no, as it raises some BLP concerns. The main one being whether or not events that relate to her son, and don't seem to relate to Janet Woollard, should be covered in the article, as it seems to be added to reflect on her, without any real evidence that she is connected to it. - Bilby (talk) 10:51, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

She was on the front page of The West today claiming he's not a monster....and the family (of which she is a member) tried to settle, for 1/3 of the payout and over 10 years, wouldn't that be a strong enough connection? Hughesdarren (talk) 11:31, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I'd go with no, as I'd expect a mother to support her son. :) I'm happy if the general consensus goes the other way, though - I just tend to be a bit cautious, as while I think the addition was perfectly justified, I've seen a few cases elsewhere in which incidents not directly related to the subject have been used to suggest a problem with the person the article is about through association. I don't think that was the intent here at all, but I'd like to raise the issue and see what everyone thinks about any possible BLP concerns. - Bilby (talk) 11:41, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, Don't get mw wrong, I also want to go with the consensus view, but the settlement offer was a direct link and I wanted to get my two cents in. Hughesdarren (talk) 11:55, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's cool. :) And it might be enough - it's more than I've seen on some. But I'm not sure the extent that she was involved in the settlement, and the extent to which that is seen as important, so I can't make a call there. - Bilby (talk) 11:59, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I note that according to The West, Woollard has now paid out on the settlement. Given her direct involvement in the payout and the public letter she sent to her consitituents, do you now think it rates a mention in the article? Hughesdarren (talk) 10:59, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Belatedly added text and references to article regarding above.Hughesdarren (talk) 03:56, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No longer the current member[edit]

I believe Woollard has lost her seat in yesterday's election (http://www.abc.net.au/elections/wa/2013/guide/alfr.htm), so the article needs updating accordingly Mitch Ames (talk) 03:31, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Y done Hughesdarren (talk) 03:56, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed[edit]

A revert of the text "He subsequently declared himself bankrupt to avoid paying compensation." made with the reason "revert verified text" using the reference http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/west-australian-mps-son-luke-woollard-declares-bankruptcy-over-claim/story-e6frfku0-1226337930269

This source was shown to be inaccurate linking to the source material at (http://l.yimg.com/ea/doc/-/120425/luke_woollard_statement_17pev07-17pev0b.pdf). The organisation reporting it also makes no such claims in it's own article dated the same day (http://www.news.com.au/national/luke-woollard-i-cant-pay-230000-boat-crash-compensation/story-e6frfkp9-1226338273070).

This statement is poorly sourced and I have accordingly removed it again. N661599470 (talk) 11:00, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Statements reworded and included in article with sources. Newspaper references are far more reliable than the reference you have given.Hughesdarren (talk) 12:08, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I provided another newspaper article published by the same organisation and the source statement that both articles were based on. Not sure how much more reliable you can get. I have reverted the edit as it uses leading language not found in the referenced article and it's relevance to article is suspect, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons N661599470 (talk) 12:56, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Which part is leading? The part about Luke Woollard intending to claim bankruptcy is in all three newspaper articles, and yet you continue to remove it. Additionally, what evidence do you have that the source statement is the source for any of the articles? Hughesdarren (talk) 13:12, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The leading part it's been written Luke Woollard "wanted" to declare bankruptcy. This is not in any of the articles. In the articles it clearly say he said he cannot (or indicated he cannot) pay. The article both the news.com.au articles are to be based on is (http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/13514086/woollard-refuses-to-compensate-boat-crash-victim/) which includes a link to the actual statement. N661599470 (talk) 13:25, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In the article you are citing it says Mr Woollard said his only option was to become bankrupt, The article has been reworded to include this language. Hughesdarren (talk) 13:33, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Luke Wollard, again[edit]

I think we need to revisit this issue, which was discussed a few years ago. In the first place, BLP policy has tightened up since then; this sort of tangential reference to another person is now deprecated. Secondly, it has no lasting encyclopedic significance. That is to say, it is not an indispensable part of the subject's biography. There isn't any coverage of Luke Woollard over the past year; I see a reference from January 2015, but Janet Woollard is only mentioned in passing. (Incidentally, her husband was recently sued; she is mentioned in passing as his wife.) St Anselm (talk) 02:08, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As discussed last time I'm happy to go with a consensus but I still think it was significant that it was the parents who paid the settlement which in turn had a good deal to do with her losing the next election. Maybe parts could be trimmed but surely the incident and resultant payout and media attention still warrants a mention.Hughesdarren (talk) 03:40, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reliable source that connects the event with the election loss? If you can produce that, I would be much more likely to think that it belongs. (Don't forget also that the BLP policy covers two different things - what we write about Janet, and whether we introduce into her article something about someone else; as well as what we write about Luke, and whether we have his story in Wikipedia at all, since he is not a notable person or public figure.) St Anselm (talk) 05:13, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]