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love call[edit]

"Love call" is a Konglish expression. It needs to be changed to something that non-Koreans can understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.238.194 (talk) 07:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Post-2PM[edit]

I think that if we put in the aftermath of the contract termination, it isn't a good idea to write too much about the interpretations of the conference, the backlash on 2PM, antifans trashing the 6 members, or the boycott. Leave that for the 2PM page, this is Jay's page.--Daydreamer198 (talk) 02:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template[edit]

There is no rule stating that you cannot put the template on the former artist's page so leave it there guys unless you can prove it against the wikipedia rules. --87.192.101.246 (talk) 00:49, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is not against the rules but it is against common practice. It makes much more sense to follow the same rules as used by other former JYPE artistes. Given the fact that Jay was kicked out of JYPE, it becomes ironic and somewhat misleading to include JYP links and the aforementioned template on the "Jay Park" page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paloaltoskelly (talk • contribs) 20:18, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
By putting the template doesn't mean he belongs to the company anymore as it clearly stated that he is a 'former' artist. The template is there for easy access and that's what the wikipedia is all about. This is nothing to do with being kicked out or even misleading or whatever bias we all have. It's just a template to show who are the other artists or former artists from that company. Even if he got a new company later and it got a template here in wikipedia, we should also put the two templates together on the page. --87.192.101.246 (talk) 17:54, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If this were true, then template use would be common, but it is not; it is reserved for current employees. For example: Rain and the ex-g.o.d members, all former JYPE artistes, do not use the template. Other groups that do not use their former company's template: Shinhwa - SM template remains on band's page but not ex-members, H.O.T - SM template remains on band's page but not ex-members with exception of Kangta still being with SM, Fly To The Sky - neither Brian or Hwanhee are with SM and do not have the template, Wheesung doesn't have the YG template. The template use is not common and can be easily misconstrued. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paloaltoskelly (talk • contribs) 05:34, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign language references[edit]

Is there anyway to have more of them in english? Just asking, TIA, --Tom (talk) 23:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you're talking about the Korean references, they're the only reliable source. Otherwise, any English translation is either from forums or gossip websites.--Daydreamer198 (talk) 13:02, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Korean American? American of Korean Descent? American?[edit]

Which is it? Even though he's currently in the States, I think putting just 'American' completely discredits his career and notability in Korea.--Daydreamer198 (talk) 13:05, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would refer to WP:MOSBIO where it discusses nationality vs ethnicity. Do we know his nationality(ies)? Do we have citations for that?
South Korea DOES NOT...I repeat DOES NOT OFFER Dual Citizenship. Jay Park is not a Korean National. He simply is an American citizen of Korean heritage that worked in South Korea, just like many other Americans of Korean descent that work in South Korea. This issue can easily be resolved - Nationality = American, Ethnicity = Korean. Jay Park is Korean-American, just like he is an Asian-American. Korean-American referring to his ethnicity/nationality, while Asian-American would be Race/Nationality. Take a Sociology class people, you'll learn somethingPinoyFilAmPride (talk) 10:19, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
--Tom (talk) 20:34, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure about specific citations other than his official profile, but he is an American citizen of pure Korean ethnicity.--Daydreamer198 (talk) 04:35, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I have reverted to American unless citations covering possible dual nationalities are provided. Thanks, --Tom (talk) 20:12, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hes American. But for some odd reason he doesnt do anything in america. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.108.30 (talk) 08:31, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The reason why he doesn't didn't do anything in America because he was a part of a "South Korean" boyband, not an American boyband. However, that doesn't change his NATIONALITY. He is not a Korean national, he's an AMERICAN citizen that worked in South Korea. Just because a White American works in China and not in USA, that would still not change their citizenship unless they requested it themselves. Same as Jay Park. He is an American that worked in South Korea and is of Korean descent. PinoyFilAmPride (talk) 10:19, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

His nationality is Korean and American, with nationality laws in both countries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jksun2 (talk • contribs) 05:56, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

His nationality is not KOREAN and AMERICAN, South Korea does not issue dual-citizenship. His Nationality is in fact AMERICAN because he's a U.S.A. citizen. His ethnicity is Korean. There are many Koreans that are American citizens that work in South Korea, that doesn't mean they are Korean Nationals nor are they not American. PinoyFilAmPride (talk) 10:19, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Addition to Reappearance through YouTube[edit]

Jay Park appears in a video with Ryan Higa and Phil Wang. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv7SUncOAAQ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.23.217.2 (talk) 22:39, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Grandiose (talk · contribs) 17:04, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this article. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 17:04, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

Quite a lot to be done here:

  • The lead is too short and does not adequately summarise the article as a result (see WP:LEAD for more information)
  • I've added some citation needed tags where necessary, if you could find supporting references to ensure verifiability.
  • Refs 49, 50, 51, 52, 62 and 63 need more details to ensure verifiability.
  • Ref 37 is broken.
  • Refs 99, 100 ,101 are to Twitter, which is not a WP:RS and should be replaced.
  • "Webpage" is not a work; it is unnecessary (although, strictly, superfluousness is not necessarily a problem for the GA criteria).
  • Coverage generally seems good
  • Dates are all written out in fill; providing the year all the time makes the text quite hard to follow in places. Consider revising some parts of it.
  • Image fine; I'd say that one image was just about satisfactory because Mr Park's career has been so short that his style hasn't changed.

On hold for seven days so you can address these concerns. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 21:58, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I made all corrections requested above, but the lead section is still difficult to write. I wrote something but I don't know if it will fit, it might be too long :
After nearly 4 years as a trainee under the record label JYP Entertainment in South Korea, Park officially debuted as the leader of South Korean boy band 2PM. The group rose to prominence with the success of their hit "Again & Again" released in 2009. However, Park left the group in September 2009 and returned to Seattle, after a netizen hacked his MySpace account and leaked unfavorable comments Park wrote in English towards Korea, when he was a 17-year-old trainee starting a new life in South Korea. The comments were translated by the Korean media. Park quickly issued an apology, explaining the unhappiness he experienced during his early days as a trainee in an unfamiliar country where he lacked family, the ability to easily communicate and an understanding of the culture. Netizens, though furious and angry at first, changed their perspective on the matter when they realized that the comments were severely mistranslated and taken out of context, after he left South Korea. In February 2010, JYP Entertainment announced the permanent termination of Park’s contract, citing an additional, unnamed controversy that occured before the MySpace incident.
Park returned to the spolight when he posted a cover of B.o.B's hit "Nothin' on You" (with his own rap and lyrics), filmed in his bathroom, on YouTube in March 2010. The video went viral and reached over 2,000,000 views in less than 24 hours. In Korea, the original song by B.o.B and Bruno Mars topped the Cyworld background music chart in a matter of hours upon the video's release. This led Warner Music Korea to release his first EP, Count On Me (Korean: 믿어줄래; Revised Romanization: Mideojullae) in July 2010, a cover EP of "Nothin' on You", with lyrics written by Park. The EP peaked at number-one on the Gaon chart. Park returned to South Korea in June 2010, for the filming of Hype Nation, while being represented by Digital Media Wire CEO and entertainment attorney Ned Sherman. Park signed a contract with Sidus HQ, one of the largest agencies in South Korea, for his Korean activities, redebuting as a solo singer and an actor. In April 2011, Park released his first Korean mini-album Take A Deeper Look, consisting of seven songs, mainly written and composed by himself. The mini-album went on to become one of the most successful albums of the year, garnering sales of over 70,000 copies and winning the Disk Bonsang at the 26th Golden Disk Awards. In February 2012, Park released his first full-length Korean album New Breed, and sold over 80,000 copies in a month. The album peaked at number-one twice on the Gaon chart. Yumix2 (talk) 12:04, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I've done all corrections cited above. Yumix2 (talk) 16:46, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Update[edit]

Lead's fine. Have a look through my edits and see if you can add the required citations, make the clarification, and remove any remaining instances of ALL CAPITALS in references. Also check my edits to ensure I didn't change the meaning. There were a couple of superfluous details that I removed. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 20:41, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I added the required citations, made some clarifications, and removed the remaining instances of all capitals in references. I also reorganized some paragraphs you changed in order to have a better continuity (for example, the paragraph with the "New Breed Asian promotions" that I moved next to the "release of New Breed in South Korea". As for the "Immortal Song 2" section, I don't know which parts should be removed, I would advise not to remove them, since Park was on the show for only a month in 2011. Yumix2 (talk) 10:57, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction[edit]

The statement "...taken out of context and severely mistranslated by the Korean media..." at the end of the introductory paragraph seems to be misleading. If it was so severely mistranslated, then it shouldn't have been a problem in the first place. I feel like the word 'severely' only serves to defend what Jay Park did by fans, not objectively, when Jay Park himself had admitted to wrongdoing. And what kind of context is needed when someone states how much they despise Korea? Kaylahawk (talk) 23:23, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

External Links[edit]

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For future reference (?): Comparisons to other artists[edit]

Park is often compared in the Korean music scene to Big Bang's member Taeyang, as they both do R&B, are relatively short heighted, and often get praised for their dance skills.[1] While Park acknowledges the similarities between them and goes to praise Taeyang, stating he is always excited about Taeyang's music,[2] he also says that they have different styles : "For one, I do different genres of music. Um, I’m not really sure how to explain it. Shall I say I don’t have as many boundaries?".[1]

Consolidation of sections[edit]

I think the intro can be a bit more concise than what it is right now. Some info can be removed and replaced with more relevant/important info.

The biography subsections are lengthy and mostly written as a event-by-event account of the time frame they are about. It would be nicer and neater to re-write some of the 2008 to 2011 subsections as more of an overview. Not necessarily removing information, just presenting it in a bit more of a better format - such as not forcing a chronological layout within the subsection.

Also, I can't seem to find any guideline on how foreign-language song titles/album titles should be written. As an example, do we really need to have the Revised Romanization and Korean versions of Count on Me in brackets? It doesn't read very well and doesn't give any more information especially as the places where RR and Korean versions are given, the song/album title has an english wikipedia article anyway.

Just unknown (talk) 00:29, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Concerning the intro, it is fine, according to the article's review for "Good article". I agree for the consolidation of sections: some sections are too long, and are not related to Park's music career. I also think that we should move the information about his controversy in a whole new section, titled "Controversy". For the titles of the songs in Korean, it is relevant since the songs are not in English in the first place, it is also more accurate that way for the readers. The articles of Big Bang and G-Dragon, both labelled as Good articles, also show the Revised Romanization and Korean version of the songs. Yumix2 (talk) 21:38, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

to add to lead or Artistry section[edit]

There are a lot of good comments by singing legends from Immortal Song 2. Translations can be found here.

Also, this is useful for Artistry and for Joah (song). Original editorial written by GQ Korea Feature Director or Editor (?), 장우철.

Will Smith made some nice comments about Jay too recently at After Earth premiere.

The One Shots’ Interview With Jay Park : http://www.theoneshots.com/2013/01/the-one-shots-interview-with-jay-park/

Just unknown (talk) 13:58, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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not a Korean name[edit]

A Korean name consists of a family name followed by a given name, according to the Korean name article. The name Jay Park does not follow that rule, so saying This is a Korean name; the family name is Park is only half right. Since the first sentence of the actual article also lists his Korean name and links to the article about Korean names, i'm deleting the header template thingy. If someone really wants to keep the links to the List of Korean family names and Park (Korean surname), i suppose the first sentence might be changed to something like Jay Park (Korean name: Park Jae-beom, Hangul: 박재범, Hanja: 朴載範; born April 25, 1987) is... but i think most Wikipedia editors try to avoid cramming that many links into the very beginning of the article.

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If the hatnote isn't there, some readers may assume that because he is Korean, his surname must be "Jay" due to Korean name order.--Prisencolin (talk) 18:48, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Grandiose (talk · contribs) 17:04, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this article. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 17:04, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

Quite a lot to be done here:

  • The lead is too short and does not adequately summarise the article as a result (see WP:LEAD for more information)
  • I've added some citation needed tags where necessary, if you could find supporting references to ensure verifiability.
  • Refs 49, 50, 51, 52, 62 and 63 need more details to ensure verifiability.
  • Ref 37 is broken.
  • Refs 99, 100 ,101 are to Twitter, which is not a WP:RS and should be replaced.
  • "Webpage" is not a work; it is unnecessary (although, strictly, superfluousness is not necessarily a problem for the GA criteria).
  • Coverage generally seems good
  • Dates are all written out in fill; providing the year all the time makes the text quite hard to follow in places. Consider revising some parts of it.
  • Image fine; I'd say that one image was just about satisfactory because Mr Park's career has been so short that his style hasn't changed.

On hold for seven days so you can address these concerns. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 21:58, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I made all corrections requested above, but the lead section is still difficult to write. I wrote something but I don't know if it will fit, it might be too long :
After nearly 4 years as a trainee under the record label JYP Entertainment in South Korea, Park officially debuted as the leader of South Korean boy band 2PM. The group rose to prominence with the success of their hit "Again & Again" released in 2009. However, Park left the group in September 2009 and returned to Seattle, after a netizen hacked his MySpace account and leaked unfavorable comments Park wrote in English towards Korea, when he was a 17-year-old trainee starting a new life in South Korea. The comments were translated by the Korean media. Park quickly issued an apology, explaining the unhappiness he experienced during his early days as a trainee in an unfamiliar country where he lacked family, the ability to easily communicate and an understanding of the culture. Netizens, though furious and angry at first, changed their perspective on the matter when they realized that the comments were severely mistranslated and taken out of context, after he left South Korea. In February 2010, JYP Entertainment announced the permanent termination of Park’s contract, citing an additional, unnamed controversy that occured before the MySpace incident.
Park returned to the spolight when he posted a cover of B.o.B's hit "Nothin' on You" (with his own rap and lyrics), filmed in his bathroom, on YouTube in March 2010. The video went viral and reached over 2,000,000 views in less than 24 hours. In Korea, the original song by B.o.B and Bruno Mars topped the Cyworld background music chart in a matter of hours upon the video's release. This led Warner Music Korea to release his first EP, Count On Me (Korean: 믿어줄래; Revised Romanization: Mideojullae) in July 2010, a cover EP of "Nothin' on You", with lyrics written by Park. The EP peaked at number-one on the Gaon chart. Park returned to South Korea in June 2010, for the filming of Hype Nation, while being represented by Digital Media Wire CEO and entertainment attorney Ned Sherman. Park signed a contract with Sidus HQ, one of the largest agencies in South Korea, for his Korean activities, redebuting as a solo singer and an actor. In April 2011, Park released his first Korean mini-album Take A Deeper Look, consisting of seven songs, mainly written and composed by himself. The mini-album went on to become one of the most successful albums of the year, garnering sales of over 70,000 copies and winning the Disk Bonsang at the 26th Golden Disk Awards. In February 2012, Park released his first full-length Korean album New Breed, and sold over 80,000 copies in a month. The album peaked at number-one twice on the Gaon chart. Yumix2 (talk) 12:04, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I've done all corrections cited above. Yumix2 (talk) 16:46, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Update[edit]

Lead's fine. Have a look through my edits and see if you can add the required citations, make the clarification, and remove any remaining instances of ALL CAPITALS in references. Also check my edits to ensure I didn't change the meaning. There were a couple of superfluous details that I removed. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 20:41, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I added the required citations, made some clarifications, and removed the remaining instances of all capitals in references. I also reorganized some paragraphs you changed in order to have a better continuity (for example, the paragraph with the "New Breed Asian promotions" that I moved next to the "release of New Breed in South Korea". As for the "Immortal Song 2" section, I don't know which parts should be removed, I would advise not to remove them, since Park was on the show for only a month in 2011. Yumix2 (talk) 10:57, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dated and Overlong Lead Section[edit]

Regarding overlong lead section; place less of an emphasis on Jay Park's early years, and more on his career after creating record labels AOMG (2013) and H1ghr Music (2017), as well as his increased international recognition after becoming an illustrative Korean hip hop/R&B star, rather than his formative K-Pop and soloist years (2008-2013). Park is regarded in Korea and internationally more as a rapper and influential figure in the K-hip hop scene than a K-Pop singer. Currently, the lead section focuses too much on the late 2000s/early 2010s, while leaving much of newer more relevant information unmentioned, such as achievements in creating record labels and commercial/cultural success outside his younger years. Some things to cut down on - overstuffed introductory sentence, his early discography (ex: Fresh Air: Breathe It is not particularly notable), music video views, and early achievements/touring. That can be saved to his early biography section. References and citations to his history is barren post 2013, so updates are appreciated.

GoofItRightHere (talk) 04:01, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jay park image[edit]

Could someone please update the image for this page. It’s from 2013 ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayparksimp4evaaaa (talk • contribs) 18:33, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ a b Lee, Nancy (March 29, 2012). "Jay Park Talks About Taeyang Comparisons, Racy Lyrics and Tattoos in 'GQ'". CJ E&M enewsWorld. Retrieved September 9, 2012.
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference chrisbrown was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
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