Talk:Jeff Hanneman/Archive 1

Hanneman? Hannemann?

When doing a bit of stuff on houseofnames.com, I searched for Hanneman, and Hanneman is apparently an Irish name? But Hannemann with the double n is German/Dutch origin, so I'm wondering how you actually spell Hanneman(n)'s name.

62.56.34.169: "but like fellow guitarist Kerry King, Hanneman dismisses people who refer to him as a Nazi. His grandfather is actually from Germany, and although his grandmother prevented German from being spoken in the household, Jeff's father still speaks with a slight German accent."

You make this sound like you know Hannemans family, but in the same edit you write that he had a brother in Bloodcum called John, the only John in Bloodcum was John Araya (the real brother of Tom Araya). There was a hoax about Joey Fuchs (the drummer) being Hannemans brother but even that info is false, please provide sources for your above claims if you want them back in the article.

Comparison with King

Is Hanneman's guitar work glossed over because he's the rhythm? Or simply because KK is so much more of a "front man" compared to Jeff? As far as I can recall, the two guitarists share leads in many songs - much the same way that all three guitarists in Maiden get a go in different songs. IainP (talk) 10:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

king and Hanneman

id have to say that hanneman is a better player than king just the way its shown through the solos... king does alot more squealling and longer held notes with his whammy bar while meanwhile hanneman is pure shredding but besides thier soloing abilities or that which is shown i think theyre both equally fast guitarists especially when it comes to rythm shown on almost every track (especially raining blood)

Hanneman tasteful???

"Jeff's style of shredding is considered some of the more tasteful and more technically orientated guitar work in thrash metal in general. He definitely attracts a lot more attention than his dueling partner, Kerry King, who is characterised by high speed shreds with little to no taste whatsoever."

this sounds like somebody's opinion, as i have not heard anybody mention his tastefullness. his approach seems identical to kings: pointless notes as fast as possible, combined with whammy like there's no tomorrow. take this section out.

Some suggestions for improving this article.

I saw this article listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Assessment while I'm not a member of that project (so I'll let them come to review it officially), I have some suggestions for how this article could be improved towards the stated goal of GA class.

There seems to be a lot of focus in the article on just the Angel of Death controversy. There seems to be undue weight on what really is a small part of his career. Any direct mention of his interest in studying Nazi Germany could probably all be moved to a single segment. As the article currently stands there are few segments that fail to mention the word Nazi in them somewhere. There are also gaps that could be filled. Have there been an issues with other band members during the years, or has he made an quotes on the strength of their friendship? Slayer is a controversial band to social conservatives has he individually ever responded to their charges? The article says he met Kerry King while trying for a guitar position in a band – which band (even if it’s obscure compared to Slayer it deserves to be named). When he cites his influences, direct quotes of him doing so would be preferable to just a list of bands. Which musicians in particular were most influential on him. Maybe we can assume it was the guitarists in these bands but direct quotes would improve this segment and perhaps tell us what style elements of these musicians he found inspiring. How long has he played guitar, was he with any other band ever - even in high school? If so they should be mentioned, if not this should be noted in a sentence such as "Slayer is Hanneman's first band." Descriptions of his own playing style would improve this article as long as these quotes were from either him, Rock critics, or fellow notable musicians. More information about his creative process in songwritting would improve the article. The article says “Slayer's earlier records were dominated by Hanneman's song-writing” when and why did this change? If you can find any direct quotes from him about creating songs or albumns, or the meanings behind them, these should be included in the article. Currently only Angel of Death is given this treatment. If he has used other gear before his current equipment setup it should be mentioned in the Equipment segment - this seems likely as you're not born with your own signiture series. Has he ever talked about his music appearing in movies, television, or video-games? Has he ever said anything about his appearances on Viva la Bam or did he in particular interact with the cast in a memorable way in those episodes? There is also no mention of his appearance in the film Dracula 2000. See http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1101744/. Does he have any kids or any plans on having kids? If not then you don't need to mention the lack thereof but could write something like this "He and his wife have lived in NameOfTown, NameOfState since YEAR" which would tell the reader this without having to spell it out, as it is now the article doesn't even say where he lives.

--Wowaconia 20:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thanks I'll see what i can do later. M3tal H3ad 10:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I noticed in the equipment section of this article it says that albums Haunting the Chapel - Divine Intervention are played in E-flat tuning, albums Diabolus in Musica - Christ Illusion are played in alternate tunings, and Show no Mercy is played in standard tuning. However, it doesn't say anything about World Painted Blood and it should be mentioned that that album is also played in E-flat tuning since it is Slayer's first album to be played in E-flat tuning since Divine Intervention. Adam9393 (talk) 02:19, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

GA on hold

The GA is currently on hold. There a lot of statements that need sourcing, including the following:

King mentioned "Why don't we start our OWN band?", Hanneman replied "...Fuck yeah!" (source that)

The band was about to enter the recording studio until Hanneman received a call from Slayer's producer Rick Rubin stating “Ahhhh, don’t do it, man -- this is the kind of thing that breaks bands up!” (source that)

While Slayer are on tour Kathryn stays home as Hanneman states when he comes home she's "all brand new again" (source needed)

Hanneman is interested in Nazi war medals and Nazi Germany, the subject to much of the lyrics he writes. People have taken this to be evidence that Hanneman, as well as the rest of Slayer, are Nazis. Hanneman's obsession began when his father, offered him a medal he had taken from a dead Nazi soldier. (source that)

"People often interpret the lyrics" states Hanneman "nothing I put in the lyrics that says necessarily he was a bad man, because to me - well, isn't that obvious? I shouldn't have to tell you that." (I'm unclear on what this means. Does he think Mengele is a bad or not bad person?)

When writing new material the band will write the music before the lyrics. Hanneman comes up with riffs at his house, using a 24-track and drum machine. Hanneman will show band members the riff, to see what they think; King and Lombardo will often mention if any alterations can be made. The band will play the riff to get the basic song structure, and then figure out where the lyrics and solos go (source that)

Cross these out as they are satisfied; when they're all crossed out, I'll pass it. DoomsDay349 01:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

The single reference at the end of paragraphs sources all the statements made in the text. It doesn't make sense to put the same reference in a paragraph 5 times when i can put one at the end. M3tal H3ad 04:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

It makes getting GA and/or FA a lot easier to put them at the end of every sentence though. If it isn't done, the article will end up failed and you'll have to appeal to GAR. LuciferMorgan 20:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Still, I think it's acceptable for a GA. The FA standards won't accept it, though. DoomsDay349 20:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I can't get this article FA not enough info on his personal life. I've seen the single reference used in many FA's no point over citing a paragraph with the same reference every sentence when you can have one at the end to make it neater. M3tal H3ad 01:03, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

All done. M3tal H3ad 07:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

If they're all done then, strike them through like the GA reviewer said. Then they'll pass it hopefully. :) LuciferMorgan 03:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

GA Nomination Status: Pass

As this article has been on hold for eight days, I have checked over the article once more, and finding that the above changes have been made in addition to a reading of the article, I have determined that in meets the good article criteria, and therefore it passes. Kyra_~(talk) 01:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Knight's Cross

The Knight's Cross that is shown on the picture is the version with Golden Oak Leaves, Swords, and Diamonds which was manufactured only once. So I can't imagine that Hanneman owns it. It would be better to use a picture of a common Knight's cross.

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Jeff Hanneman/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

Starting GA reassessment as part of the GA Sweeps process. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Checking against GA criteria

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   Refs #2 and #3 are dead links (tagged); ref #4 is to a blog, not a reliable source (tagged)Y

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Just some concerns with the referencing as per above - on hold for seven days, major contributors and projects will be notified. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:09, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Seem to be corrected. I fixed one broken link, and someone else beat me to fixing the second. IainP (talk) 12:31, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I repaired the two dead links. For the first I was able to locate the original archived interview. For the second I was only able to get a summary, the entire article is pay-per-view. I think we can assume good faith that the article says what is sited since it was added in 2006 and the article was listed as GA in 2007. The info cited to the blog was superfluous and original research so I removed it. If these were the only issues it should be all set. J04n(talk page) 12:36, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

OK, issues fixed, thanks for the quick response, keep GA status. Jezhotwells (talk) 13:03, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Metalunderground's April fools' joke

I am removing this bit of trivia as it is not important to the subject. If this is to be included, every website april fools joke about anyone would be OK to add. It's really not encyclopedic. UselessToRemain (talk) 18:26, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Death

we need to add death stuff — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.237.226.16 (talk) 22:18, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

He died of liver failure, RIP Jeff :( Tuner420 (talk) 22:58, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Jeff Hanneman/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Personally, I cannot go higher than start. For me the article is still quite short to earn B-Class rating. But you can ask for a second opinion.--Yannismarou 16:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC) Sounds right. I'd like to see some general expansion, but you got the rest down.--Wizardman 01:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 01:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 15:05, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Spider bite and later illness might not be related

Experts Shoot Down Speculation That Spider Bite Led to Jeff Hannemen's Death

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/jeff-hanneman-dead-experts-shoot-speculation-spider-bite/story?id=19101844#.UYVUcNxvNJE

I think this is an important point as people rely on WP for health information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.93.202 (talk) 18:35, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. I added a link to this reference and removed the sentence that claimed otherwise, as the two referenced citations did not support the claim that the sentence made. Also, in light of what appears to be a common view on the net that the spider bite killed him, and given that his death and the necrotizing fasciitis also appear potentially unrelated, according to the ABC News report, it might warrant a little bit more language on the possible connection. As it stands, the Illness and Death section is dominated by the illness portion.

Douglaswyatt (talk) 11:32, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

How come Wikipedia don't mention Jeff Hannemans' contribution to the bestie boys album license to ill?

Wikipedia omitted a very important little known fact. That Jeff Hanneman and Kerry King contributed to the Beastie Boys album License to Ill. They played all the solos on that album.</ref>The Beastie Boys - License to Ill.98.110.48.122 (talk) 22:36, 11 May 2013 (UTC)Charles P. Thomas.

Personal Life

"Hanneman was a reformed cocaine and pill abuser, much like Slayer vocalist/bassist Tom Araya. They decided to quit when they realized "this can lead to only death or something, this is going too far." Hanneman was a long-time fan of the Oakland Raiders."

The last sentence of this paragraph has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject matter of the paragraph and belongs in a separate paragraph.

PCB - 08/08/2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.64.177.162 (talk) 20:52, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Wasn't Jeff Jewish?

Wasn't Jeff Jewish? I think he was. Along with Kerry King! (So it's perfectly alright for him to write the Angel of Death song.) (120.149.118.251 (talk) 04:42, 7 May 2013 (UTC))

Hanneman is a Jewish name. But Kerry King is not? Do you have any web links on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.89.27.171 (talk) 09:33, 28 March 2015 (UTC)