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The spate of changes this month to the list of players in this article who achieved 4,000 or more hits reminded me of the discussion which was occurring simultaneously in the SABR-L discussion group. The key to both the article changes and the SABR-L discussion was our differing opinions on just what games should be included in reckoning whether players should, or should not, be included in the list...
Major league games only?
Major leagues plus minor leagues?
Major plus minor plus:
Japanese?
Caribbean or Mexican winter league?
Post-season play?
The changes to Jigger's page, and the SABR-L discussion, both seem to have been provoked by Devon Young's 8/11 blog entry and Jim Caple's 8/21 article. Young seems to be totally unaware of Statz, while Caple describes him as "a little-known player", which any student of Los Angeles or PCL baseball must find laughable.
DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 01:22, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I'm of the opinion that the standard simply means if he was paid to play, it's a professional hit. All of those categories ought to be included (again, just my opinion). Do you have a link to that SABR-L discussion? It sounds like it'd be a very interesting read. Also, I tweeted Caple about Julio Franco's inclusion and he seemed accepting ("Good to know"). -- Fifty7 (talk) 03:48, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
SABR-L seems to be accessible only to SABR members. There is some information on it here. DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 15:08, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The statement "He is one of only seven players (along with Pete Rose, Ty Cobb, Julio Franco, Hank Aaron, Ichiro Suzuki, and Stan Musial) known to have amassed at least 4,000 combined hits in the major leagues and minor leagues." seems to be false as Ichiro Suzuki doesn't have 4,000 combined hits in the major leagues and minor leagues, but 4,000 combined between Japan and the Major Leagues. Renard Migrant (talk) 00:48, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Japan sort of counts as the virtual minor leagues since Pete Rose's comment that if we are going to count Ichiro's hits in Japan then we ought to count Rose's hits in the minor leagues. – Margin1522 (talk) 04:32, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
