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I'm opening a perfunctory discussion because three IPs have introduced the word "disgraced" before Jimmy Savile's name in the article.[1][2][3]. I'm removing the content again, because it is not consistent with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. We're not here to editorialize, and even though you might reasonably describe Savile as disgraced in your personal discussions, the description doesn't belong in a neutral article. The article on Jimmy Savile doesn't editorialize about disgrace. A possible exception might be if the creator of the web series named the series to mock the TV personality, but even then we wouldn't call him disgraced, we'd provide sourced context that explains the satire without editorializing. Without context, there's no indication that Savile's "disgrace" is relevant to this article. You might as well use other irrelevant adjectives like, "the blond-haired Jimmy Savile" or the "cigar smoking Jimmy Savile". If the term is added again without a consensus for its inclusion, I will ask that the page be protected from IPs, since the addition is simply absurd. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:19, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Can't we just remove Savile's name instead of saying he's disgraced? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.208.215.241 (talk) 20:28, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, it's not clear to me why we'd do that. If the series is homage to Savile's program, it's probably worth mentioning. There's no reason to not mention Savile simply because we don't like him, if that's what you're suggesting. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:31, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Do we really need to mention Jimmy Savile in the second sentence? He wasn't the only presenter of Jim'll Fix It; Shane Richie hosted a Christmas special in 2011. If Savile was the only presenter, then this mention would be necessary, but since he wasn't, I don't think it's needed. 81.139.30.57 (talk) 22:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What does Savile being (or not being) a host have anything to do with the matter? The show was Jim'll Fix It. It was created by Savile. Are either of those two facts not accurate? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:01, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry! I was thinking of Savile as the programme's host instead of its creator, hence why I disagreed with his mention. However, since no one co-created Jim'll Fix It, his mention is necessary. 81.139.30.57 (talk) 10:23, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
How are some of my edits "promotional"? ([4], [5]) What else can I add about James Murray? I didn't mention any prices, give exact names of his products or mention the sites he sells them on. Pickuptha'Musket (talk) 11:25, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if this is a serious question. It is April Fool's Day after all. Who cares what Murray "likes"? Madonna likes red lipstick, but we don't make a fuss about that in her article. It doesn't matter that you didn't mention prices or the sites he sells them on—the content is not noteworthy. When he starts receiving press for bee conservation—actual bee conservation, not just unsubstantiated first-hand claims of selling t-shirts to help build beehives—then the content would be noteworthy, and we'd support this noteworthy content with reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject, not with links to the page where he's selling t-shirts. Promotion isn't limited to "for profit". Non-profit promotion is still promotion. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:57, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I should add that based on some of the very odd content you've added—statements like "Murray has a soft spot for bees", along with content I've explained as coming off as promitional—I have a belief that you might be closely related to the subject. If that's the case, you are strongly discouraged from editing, and you should probably declare your conflict if it exists, per WP:COI. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:58, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Do you actually think I'm James Murray or even know him? If that's the case then you're mistaken. All I wanted to do was add a section on Murray, because I thought he was noteworthy and deserved this. I honestly couldn't find anything else to add, which is why I mentioned his "bee rights" activism, but since then I've learned what and what not to add. As I said on the history page, I've reduced my edits on this subject; therefore, please remove that template. Pickuptha'Musket (talk) 10:54, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. I appreciate the explanation and I'm yielding on it. Removed COI template. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:19, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
