Talk:Joachim Löw

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Pronounciation[edit]

It would be useful if someone could add an IPA for the correct pronounciation. It seems to be something similar to the English word 'love', which makes sense as German 'w' roughly equals English 'v' and an umlaut is a substitute for a following 'e'--MartinUK (talk) 23:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The pronounciation of Löw is similar to 'love', but the vowel is different: The "ö" is pronounced similar to the "u" in English 'turn'. So, it's more or less like "Lurv" in English.

The first name is pronounced "Yo-uh-Xim", where the "X" stands for the German "ch" sound, which doesn't exist in English (it is the same as Spanish "j"). --Roentgenium111 (talk) 22:17, 17 June 2008 (UTC) (a native German) The closest we have in English is the "ch" in "loch" as in "Loch Ness monster."[reply]

Also, I think that the spelling should be explained, since in much of media it is 'Loew' and I thought (before coming here) there were two people.[1] It should be pointed out early. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 21:47, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Origin[edit]

(originally in continuation of the former "pronunciation" section) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.179.178.85 (talk) 22:58, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Am I right in assuming he is of Hungarian origin? Spiderone (talk) 16:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you assume that? I don't know his origins, but Joachim Löw sounds like a perfectly German name (Löw is a shortened form of Löwe which means lion). --Jaellee (talk) 17:13, 13 July 2009 (UnTC)
It might be a jewish name. There were many jews in the southern area and many of them converted to christian confessions.
"Löwe" is a Jewish name - symbolic of Juda, one of the twelve tribes of Israel. But I don't think it is exclusively a Jewish name. I have gone through many of the people with that name on the German Wikipedia (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%B6we_%28Begriffskl%C3%A4rung%29). Jews would appear to be more frequent in that list than in a random dip into the German population, but many are not Jews. Usually, the religion is not mentioned, but the list includes people that did doctoral work in Germany in the early 1940s (impossible as a Jew), people whose lives appear to have been not seriously interrupted by the Nazi period, even one who served in the German Wehrmacht during WW2 (extremely rare as a Jew), a Protestant bishop, and Prussian politicians (unlike in Britain, not really possible as a Jew). ([User:mhatlie])
Nuremberg laws "only" affected those with registered jewish ancestors not too long ago - afaik normally to the grandparents. There were more strict rules for officers in the Wehrmacht, SS etc. And many bearer of jewish names do not know the jewish origin of the name. The main reason is that a lot of jews converted in the modern age, for political reasons, to have better chances (eg. as civil servant - eg Karl Marx) but also for theological/spiritual reasons. Jews and jewish culture were and are in spite of the nazi genozide are a part of german culture. 217.85.56.201 (talk) 15:07, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Löws family is catholic, as most families from that region are. The name sounds jewish because German names and Jewish names are often the same or similar, Jiddish and German are closely related languages and until that damn Nazi regime came into power and picked Jews as general scapegoats, German culture and Jewish culture were very close, and many people were German and Jewing at the same time. Therefore to an english speaker many German names will sound jewish, espicially if they end with -berg, -baum, -heim, -feld, or -stein etc. which are German words for -mountain, -tree, -home, -field, and -stone. Greetings, Jonathan. (<---Jewish name^^) Jonathan0007 (talk) 06:06, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Loew and Löw is the spelling of the Jewish Levi family. For instance the famous Maharal of Prague wrote his name in Hebrew: Yehuda Levi ben Betzalel (or Halevi) meaning of the Levite tribe, the tribe of priests teachers and singers listed in the bible, especially in the Torah and Psalms. The Levi or Loew (pronounce Low-veh) has an important status in traditional Jewish life. See Levite#In contemporary Jewish practice. Jewish families like Segel, Landau and Horowitz were of the Levi tribe and added this to their family name. Some families simply called themselves Loew. It is also a personal name given by important families to their first son, so there were families named Loew after a father of that name, although they were not of Levite dynasty, but this, according to 16'th-19th century Jewish responsa was rare. 79.179.178.85 (talk) 22:57, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, Joachim is a common (biblical) Lutheran name, very rare (if at all) in Jewish usage. 79.179.178.85 (talk) 23:01, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Löwe German for Lion - it is a German name and a Yiddish name as well - just because there are some people named Löw/Löwe/Loew are jewish does not mean everybody with such a name is jewish or of jewish background — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.89.242.173 (talk) 11:24, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Career stats[edit]

Some of his career stats seem to be incorrect. I don't think any Bundesliga season had more then 34 games other then that one season after German reunification Kingjeff 01:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Between 1985 and 1987 he played for Freiburg in the 2nd Bundesliga. The Second Bundesliga had at this time 20 Teams, so it is possible for him to play 37 games per season. 84.141.251.193 19:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

80 goals in 4 appearances for Stuttgart?!! Makes Billy The Fish and co look useless .

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Stub?[edit]

Is this article really a stub? i found a lot of information. I don't think it's a stub. Perhaps someone could change that. Merci, --89.27.234.203 03:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think there has been some info added since it became a stub. Kingjeff 03:46, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

80 goals in 4 appearances for Stuttgart?!! Makes Billy The Fish and co look useless . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.111.24.180 (talk • contribs) 11:20, March 27, 2007

Appearantly a typo when hitting the "(" key. Number corrected to zero. --Asdert 09:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

POV?[edit]

Much of this section reads like it was written for a press package for Mr. Low. Saying things like "In a highly exciting match..." and "...Löw helped Klinsmann rally the troops and they turned in a brilliant performance..." just are not unbiased. See WP:NOT. Stealthound (talk) 04:31, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As it is apparently not acceptable to tag this article with bias... I will do tentative editing to remove non-encyclopedic content. I hope that, since I am not a referee that my edit will be considered unbiased. Stealthound (talk) 04:51, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have tried, but did not want to make too major of edits. I am reverting, but hope that a dialogue with interested parties can occur. I mainly have problems with the phrases in the latter half of the coaching section. I happen to fully agree with the writer, and was rooting for the German team. But to say that "Germany was swept up in a wave of hope and the crowds were something the World Cup, and Germany in particular had never seen before" is first, highly debatable, and second, as it is not objective, should be supported by a source and given attribution in the article. Stealthound (talk) 05:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I did not read this discussion before edition (sorry for that), but i have extensively removed language that i considered not neutral, so in that point i agree with the users above. If someone thinks some of the sentences i removed/rephrased should stay in the article please join the discussion. Also please mention, if you think there are more sentences that should be rephrased or removed. Greetings, Jonathan. Jonathan0007 (talk) 06:11, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Coaching Germany at FIFA 2014 World Cup Soccer[edit]

He must be doing something right. Germany played Brazil to 7-0 in 89min of regulation time and Brazil then scores their single goal just as regulation time ends. Could have been a higher score except key players were pulled. Let's see what they do in the finals. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 21:55, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As you know by now, Germany beat Argentina (1-0) in the final soccer game. German Chancellor Angela Merkel was in the stadium. --Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 20:20, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Coach / Manager[edit]

Oliver Bierhoff is the manager of the German team, Joachim Löw is national coach. At last these are the official designations by the DFB. Any objections for changing that? --Mwmahlberg (talk) 05:15, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That could be OK, but note that Joachim Löw coached the German team in the World Cup games. Was Oliver Bierhoff also there on the German sideline? Probably was. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 20:24, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia[edit]

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In UEFA Euro 2016 win over Ukraine[1] Joachim Löw stunned TV viewers after being caught with his hands down his trousers in a string of disgusting and humiliating touchline antics (s. Twitter and Youtube (2.500.000+ views of 'Trousers-gate').[2][3] --Tabbelio (talk) 06:37, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not relevant, see WP:BLPGOSSIP. --Jaellee (talk) 16:37, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How is it gossip, the videos are right there? --Planetjanet (talk) 22:21, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It is not of encyclopedic relevance. Would expect something like that in the Encyclopedia Britannica? --Jaellee (talk) 23:09, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ German Football Coach Joachim Löw Caught Touching Himself And Sniffing His Fingers During Euro 2016 Ukraine Match (The Huffington Post)
  2. ^ Joachim Löw smells his balls and his ass during Germany vs. Ukraine 2-0
  3. ^ Joachim Low sniffs his hand after putting it down trousers in string of disgusting touchline antics (The Sun)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2018[edit]

Please remove the "failure" word from the introductory part of the page. Deadfools (talk) 15:40, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done Thanks for catching this as well. —KuyaBriBriTalk 17:31, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

His nickname should be added[edit]

He gets called Jogi all the time. This might not be known to english-speaking folks, but it is VERY common to call him Jogi Löw. Please add this.

Please find a reliable source for this. Britmax (talk) 12:02, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Youth career date[edit]

Joachim was born 3 February 1960, how then did his youth career began 1896? 41.57.95.73 (talk) 07:47, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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