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Content dispute[edit]

Regarding the content dispute on this page, certainly the anonymous editor is correct that the version which xfansd supports contains errors (like 50万 translated as 50 million, when it actually means 500,000). Xfansd is falsely accusing the anon editor of vandalism, this seems to be a legitimate attempt to remove errors from the page. Let's discuss here. JoshuSasori (talk) 03:36, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I now see that simply 50万 translates as half a million, but as I do not understand Japanese I use an online translator and when you put the whole sentence into Google translate it comes out as 50 million (see here). So that is a legitimate error. If the user were to have removed just the error that would have been fine, but they reverted the large amount of other info I added. Additionally me and this user are currently disputing over another article so we both may have been hasty in are edits. Xfansd (talk) 04:42, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK then. Please check carefully. JoshuSasori (talk) 07:22, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You shouldn't be referencing what you can't read.27.33.143.93 (talk) 09:07, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree with this, editing the article based on a faulty machine translation, accusing people of vandalism when they try to correct it, then blaming the translation, is not the way to go here. JoshuSasori (talk) 10:58, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly disagree, I added a significant amount of sourced info, making one mistake is no reason to not further improve articles. As explained above, it was partly vandalism because they removed all that other sourced info and I was not "blaming" the translation, I fully accept the fault, but simply explaining why I added what turned out to be an incorrect statement. Xfansd (talk) 16:26, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It definitely was not "vandalism". JoshuSasori (talk) 17:26, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
While adding 491 and flower travelling band to the base article was productive, the other points are generally not. How was FTB successful? they barely sold any albums and I also don't see it in your reference. In addition I personally don't agree with the statements "pioneering and influential" What did they pioneer? As an example Ryo Kawasaki helped pioneer fusion music and develop the guitar synthesizer. An influence? that's grasping for straws, there are very few bands who have been influenced from FTB, from which it was not a direct influence. The reference you used "japan-zone" is also unacceptable, it's run by some guy and his friends and is akin to a blogger news site. The article itself has so many factual errors to boot. I am not sure if you are the one who added the site "generasia" but that is also unacceptable reference for similar reasons. Finally the last paragraph is news reporting, and I already addressed the other problem in the lead of the article.27.33.143.93 (talk) 00:27, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
and while it might be a mistake, referencing material you can't read leads to mistakes (google translate barely gets anything right especially with ideogram languages) this is a perfect example because there is a huge difference between 50 million and 500,000. if no one bothered to check the reference it would of remained there, and slowly by word of mouth spread across the English language internet (making it harder to deny such a nonsense statement) and add to the rubbish information flooding the English speaking world about japanese music.27.33.143.93 (talk) 00:53, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that you thought there were some problems with the references, but, for example, the reference for the 50 million could be changed to make it a reference for the 500,000 sales. It's great that you care about the article's factual accuracy, I'm sure we can use our energy productively here to improve the content. JoshuSasori (talk) 01:30, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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