Talk:Joey Barton

Controversy

I have changed "stubbed out" to "poked" in the cigar incident. The reference says "stubbed a cigar", http://www.carling.com/football/manchester-city-fc/joey-barton.html says "poked" and http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=BLOGDETAIL&grid=P30&blog=yourview&xml=/sport/2006/02/02/uviewbarton.xml says "pushed".

I've also expanded on his sendings off, and removed "but hardly featured for the rest of the season, being injured or putting in below par performances as the club slipped from 8th to 15th" after the sentence on him signing a new contract in 2006. Joey only missed 7 league games in 2005-06; only David James and Darius Vassell played more. Chorleypie 21:07, 1 October 2006 (BST)

---I find the following statement,"He had two red cards in his first 120 games, both for two yellow cards" to be a little, well, odd. I don't see the significance of two reds in his first 120 games, neither were straight reds. I'm not saying he is innocent (in fact I know very little about Barton) but a breakdown of the yellows he has received would be a better representation of his on-field behaviour.Crx2gen 05:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

You're right. I put it in because a previous version talked specifically about one red card, and I wanted to point out that his record on the pitch isn't remarkably bad. I've taken it out now. Chorleypie 12:57, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

How about putting in a "Controversy" section to separate his footballing success to his controversies (mainly) off the field? Also more can be added such as his criticism of Gerrard and Lampard. 13:44, 05 February 2007 (BST)

"Personal life"

Thought you could update : I read this morning that he is going out with Emma Walsh, a make-up artist from Ireland, for a while and she is 5 months pregnant now and there both very happy..83.70.41.162 15:20, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone else think it's a bit unfair that all his "Personal Life" section discusses is his brother's murder conviction? I'm sure there's more to his personal life than just this. I should think that either more information should be added that actually relates to Joey Barton's personal life or the header should be renamed to something along the lines of "Family Issues" or "Brother's Murder Trial". Just a thought. Cricketseven 18:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I think the header is OK but I expect you're right that there's more to his personal life than this. Feel free to add something! While I'm on, I've deleted the 86.15.97.211 contribution "the media [neglected] to mention that he handed his shirt to a disabled Manchester City fan", because we have a BBC link which does mention this. (Chorleypie 08:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC))

I agree that it is unfair to discuss his half-brothers murder conviction. I think the most that should be stated is "Joey Barton is the half-brother of convicted murderer Michael Barton" Anybody who wishes to read further can click the internal link.

Why does it say that he gave evidence at his brother's trial while the indicated link doesn't state that. 71.252.136.202 01:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I personally think that this should be included as a well publicised (at least in the UK) and, presumably, a significant part of his personal life. I changed the wording slightly so that it mentioned the name of the murder victim and included the fact that the murder was deemed to be racially motivated. I added the name because, again, the victim was very well publicised (in the UK) as was the nature of the crime - so I'd personally consider these to be relevant, and of interest to the reader. Would be good to hear what others think. Ghost Yacht 18:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Please add details of his prison term <url>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7409943.stm</url> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.16.176.79 (talk) 12:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Overall this section feels like it was written by his PR team. Not an unbiased account of his personal life. El dude brother2 (talk) 19:08, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

GA review

It's a very well written article, I just have a few small things to be addressed, some maybe personal preference so tell me if any of these go into that sort of area, cheers:

• In the lead sentence, it says "Joseph Anthony Barton (...) commonly known as Joey Barton", but I don't think it really needs the latter part because one already knows what he's commonly known as by the article name and the infobox as well.
  •  Done Davnel03 11:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
• I'm slightly concerned by the frequent use of dates in the article. For instance, in the second paragraph of "Senior career", the date is mentioned in two sentences in succession - it kinda feels a bit repetitive after a while. One thing you could do, for instance, is just mention the month (and year) rather than the day, month and year or perhaps say "...a week after "X", "Y" happened".
  •  Done Davnel03 11:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
• In the "style of play" section, it reads "...which has helped him gain a reputation as a 'box-to-box' player" - Now, I know what that is but that doesn't mean the rest of Wikipedia does, is there an article explaining this term?
  • Nope, there isn't an article on that. Nethertheless, I have no clue as to what it means! Davnel03 11:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
    •  Done I've given a definition of the word in the article. Mattythewhite 11:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
• Also in the same section "Newcastle manager Sam Allardyce stated that one of the reasons he signed Barton was his goalscoring ability. In the 2006–07 season, Barton finished as Manchester City's top goalscorer, despite not being a striker." - Wouldn't this be better in the Senior career section?
  •  Done Davnel03 11:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
• Same section again, "Some pundits have also acknowledged that this aspect of his game has shown improvement since the 2005–06 season" - Can you specify who said this? For instance, you could use Colin Illingworth - the author of the work you cited for tat sentence.
  •  Done Davnel03 11:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
• "Statistics have shown Barton to be one of the best tacklers in the Premier League" - Examples? :-)
  • There is a reference given to this statement. Mattythewhite 19:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
  •  Done Sir-Nobby 17:01, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
• In the "outside of football section" in the quote box it reads at the start "Michael, if you have..." - After reading the sentence I realise it's his brother but one could put this instead "Michael [Barton, Joey's brother], if you have..."
  •  Done Davnel03 11:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
• Finially, can you alphabetize the categories.
  •  Done Davnel03 11:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

As for future plans for the article if your planning for an FA with this, then there are a few things I could recommend:

• Wait - A footballer's career can change dramatically and thus isn't stable. I know it's pretty far away but it's but a footballer's article becomes more stable after they retire.
• A few more sections, for instance you could split the career sections by club to make navigating through the article easier.
• When Barton wins an annual award, remember to add a succession box for it - Oh and use the right heading as well (For a sportsmen you'll need Template:s-sports and [[Template:s-awards]] Template:s-ach).

edited to replace s-awards with s-ach Bazj (talk) 17:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Remember, that those three things you don't need to address for this GA review but rather suggestions for future improvement.

Anyway, for now I'll be keeping this article on hold until the points have been addressed, thanks. --Phill ^{talk Edits} _{Review this GA review!} 10:59, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Cheers for addressing my points, I will now pass this article. Matty, you probably know the drill when I do a GA review ;-), thanks. --Phill ^{talk Edits} _{Review this GA review!} 08:06, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Charity work

[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sir-Nobby (talk • contribs) 21:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Upload images to Wikimedia?

Hi, I would like to put the images in this article in another languege article about Barton. Since the images belong to to English wikipedia, I still can't do that. Can the authors of these images upload them to wikimedia commons so that I could use them myself? Thanks, YemeniteCamel (talk) 08:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

6 months sentence

Is it 6 months in prison, or is he just currently in jail? CorleoneSerpicoMontana (talk) 12:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

"He is currently serving a six month prison term and plays for English Premier League club Newcastle United, as a midfielder." - if he's currently in prison, he doesn't currently play for Newcastle, so this sentence needs sorting out. Any ideas? Bingobangobongoboo (talk) 14:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

What about "He is currently contracted to English Premier League club Newcastle United and plays as a midfielder. He is currently serving a six month term in prison."? --116.49.132.113 (talk) 16:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

This article needs to be protected; it's a big target for vandals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.21.56.204 (talk) 13:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Disgraced?

I think it is appropriate to prefix Joey Barton with the adjective "disgraced", given his recent spell in prison for assault and affray, not to speak of his history of disciplinary problems —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirrorballman (talk • contribs) 22:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.108.160.130 (talk) 12:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Certainly he's as famous for being a convicted, violent criminal as a football player.--77.255.118.165 (talk) 11:21, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Dead

I see the article is recording Joey as "DEAD"  ??????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.212.124.34 (talk) 11:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Joey Barton/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards,--Jackyd101 (talk) 19:26, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

• It is reasonably well written.

  a (prose): b (MoS):

Prose is OK, a 7/10.

• It is factually accurate and verifiable.

  a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

• It is broad in its coverage.

  a (major aspects): b (focused):

• It follows the neutral point of view policy.

  a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

• It is stable.

  

• It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

  a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):

• Overall:

  a Pass/Fail:

Layout

The lead has become unruly. Some of the third paragraph of the lead should be in the "Personal life" section keeping the lead a summary. WP:LEAD might help. Thought I would get some feedback here first since he is a controversial figure and this article made it to GA.Cptnono (talk) 01:44, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

 Done Jim Michael (talk) 17:18, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Featured Article worthy?

This article has surely got to be a candidate for Featured Article status, or at least be given the slight bit of work it needs for the final push in to making it FA. It is well-written, well-referenced and has a good number of photos. Professor Toon (talk) 19:37, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Appearances don't tally

The table listing club appearances doesn't tally:

• 130+81+26 league games ≠ 230;
• 26+1 games for QPR ≠ 26;
• 153+84+26 games by club ≠ 230+13+6+5 games by competition ≠ 255 total games.

Grutness...wha? 12:45, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Joey Barton Squad Number

Joey Barton's new squad number is 6, as per Marseille's homepage http://www.om.net/en/Teams/201002/Effectif_pro/1815/Barton — Preceding unsigned comment added by Escollay (talk • contribs) 15:51, 13 September 2012 (UTC) ** Done JMHamo 20:52, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2014

RenandaFilip (talk) 09:57, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

File:BartonQPR2014.jpg

Joey Barton Dribling

Done Have a look and see if that's a good place for it. Sam Sailor ^Sing 10:57, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Deleted sentences

I think that the following sentences may have been mistakenly removed in the process of editing the article. If someone could please add them to the "personal life" section once once again, they are relevant and well-referenced.

"Barton is a prominent user of Twitter,[183] with over two million followers as for April 2013. Commenting on figures from Friedrich Nietzsche and George Orwell to Isambard Kingdom Brunel and Morrissey, his eclectic tweets have resulted in him being described by the BBC as "as a philosophical sportsman to rival Eric Cantona in his heyday".[183] Others in the media have criticised this description with Paul Hayward, chief sports writer for The Telegraph writing that Barton "manages to be patronised [by the media] and held up as some kind of exemplar all at once ... he is skilled at tricking us into watching him veer between the extremes of thinker and thug. Either this is a repudiation of societal hypocrisy or, more likely, indicative of a sociopathic tendency."[184] Ellie Mae O'Hagan of The Guardian commented that "the problem, I think, is not the belief that Barton is a reformed character, but the notion that one cannot possibly be a philosopher and violent at the same time: that quoting philosophy should automatically be taken as a sign of reformation ... In my mind, this all boils down to class snobbery. It is automatically assumed that Barton has violent tendencies because he's a working-class man who has chosen to play football for a living. So when he shows signs of intelligence, it's treated as a sign of reform: intellect is the preserve of the gentlemanly middle-classes."[185]

On 3 March 2013, Barton faced an angry backlash from thousands of teenage girls after taunting Canadian teen idol Justin Bieber and his fans on Twitter. He branded the Canadian singer as "a smack addiction waiting to happen".[186] A few weeks later, he caused controversy once more after comparing Brazilian superstar Neymar to Justin Bieber.[187]

On 28 December 2011, Barton became a father. His partner Georgia McNeil gave birth to a baby boy who was named Cassius.[188]"

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2017

During Burnley's defeat against Lincoln City in the 2017 FA Cup Joey Barton claimed contact by Imps' striker Matt Rhead and went down clutching his head. This is the latest incident in a long-standing dispute with Rhead. A replay showed no contact was made and Barton's actions have been condemned by the wider football community particular in light of Barton's 3rd February 2013 tweet where he stated "Players who roll around when nobody touches them should be subsequently banned. I hate cheats. Authorities should address it." PINEAPPLES (talk) 13:37, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

References

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — Sam Sailor 14:16, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

• Hope, 2013 November. The Mail Online — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.116.188.202 (talk) 11:59, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Personal life - interests

Someone's clearly having a laugh about Joey Barton forcing his players to listen to Studio Ghibli soundtracks. This has to be changed pronto. BartonNietzsche (talk) 14:46, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Extra line break

There is an extra blank line between the sections on Views and Gambling.

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2023

Barton did not play against Manchester United on the opening day of the 2010-11 season, it was Aston Villa, and he scored in that game as Newcastle won 6-0 at home. 185.98.181.192 (talk) 14:17, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.Shadow311 (talk) 15:44, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Minutes

Joey Barton completed more minutes in prison (110,880) than he played professional football (35,176) minutes. 2A02:A468:19DF:1:45AF:DB49:2235:F9D (talk) 01:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2024

Listed as a football manager but a hobbist podcast host would be more accurate for last employment 2A02:6B6A:B265:0:A1AA:D068:924E:2019 (talk) 19:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Liu1126 (talk) 23:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)