Talk:John Addison Porter Prize

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This page should not be deleted. There has been confusion about who has won these prizes, and a separate page listing the prize winners is in order.

This would be more appropriate as a section on the John Addison Porter pager. The prize it self lacks notability.--Rtphokie (talk) 18:15, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of winners removed[edit]

I've removed the list of winners. The reason is constant vandalism to the point it's impossible to know what is real and what is fake. There is apparently no online source to verify the list and no one is monitoring the article who can verify with offline sources. It's an issue of WP:V. It is better to remove the information entirely rather than spreading personal vanity names and student lulz around. If someone can work with me to find a reliable list that has been vetted I look forward to working with you on verification. Until then the list is considered compromised, unreliable and removed. Green Cardamom (talk) 17:08, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For example these years:

2012: Helen Curry, Eric Morrison, Catherine McNeur[1]

There is nothing in that source that mentions Eric Morrison, that I could find.

2011: Sarah Cameron, Rui Gao, Joshua Levin

No sources provided at all.

2010: Allison Carey, Kirsten Weld, Lisa Marrone

No source for two of the names, and Kirsten Weld is a self-published source. Did she win? Probably, but all we have to go on is her own word. It's not a reliable source for Wikipedia purposes.

..and so on. The list is a mess. If you want to work on it in scratch space somewhere I'd be happy to work with you or anyone on a reliable and verifiable list. See relevant Wikipedia rules about WP:RS and WP:V. Green Cardamom (talk) 16:45, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The list of winners from years before the 1990s comes from published sources, and those are noted. You cannot privilege an online source over a published source--that would invalidate most of human knowledge on here. If you are going to impose deletion of lists of winners, then cut only the most recent winners.Neptune1969 (talk) 01:30, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for doing that. I'll go with that method of keeping the most recent years off the list (unless sourced), and older years tagged with cites needed. That should help prevent the most common type of problem where someone might award themselves the prize for padding a CV to get a job or whatever reason. I've added cites needed so whoever visits the page is clear there is no source (and that someone is checking). Also made clear when it is a self-source like faculty page. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 06:11, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I think a strategy will be to remove those entries post-1990 that have cite needed tags unresolved for more than 6 months. Prior to 1990 will give some benefit of the doubt and let them wait longer. But the more recent entries is too much of a potential problem with people faking it, since this is a prize that is clearly very difficult for anyone to verify but carries a lot of prestige (previous winners include Harold Bloom and other luminaries). Also some of the existing cites are not reliable, going to self-published sources, but will let those stand for now. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 18:38, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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