Talk:John Baird (Canadian politician)

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Is this trivial gossip useful for any reason? Will anyone object if it is removed? "Baird says he has been a vegetarian since 1997.[11] However, he admits to eating fish,[12] and he reportedly ate seal meat on a trip to the Arctic in 2009.[13][14]" Nosnoyl23 (talk) 12:22, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

claim that the subject is openly gay?[edit]

Subject is openly gay? this claim was inserted with low quality opinionated sources, I have removed it as per wp:blp , feel free to discuss here Govindaharihari (talk) 06:56, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why have you wiped this talk page entirely clean? Harfarhs (talk) 14:33, 31 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Old discussion is archived, see here Talk:John Baird (Canadian politician)/Archive 1 Govindaharihari (talk) 15:40, 31 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, as you've seen this is an old, old story that goes back six years just on here. And even then, it was just new to Wikipedia — in other forums, it goes back over 15 years.
As always, Wikipedia's core and non-negotiable policy is that a public figure cannot be described or categorized as gay on the basis of unconfirmed allegations about their sexuality, or editors' unsourced assertions of private personal knowledge, or third party claims by Pamela Taylor or Enzo Di Matteo or Matthew Hays or Jesse Brown — it will be acceptable in his article only when he can be reliably sourced as having come out as gay in his own words coming from his own hand or mouth, and not on the basis of anything less than that. And as for the most recent anonymous IP claim that the article already discusses his sexuality, it actually does no such thing — the only LGBT-related content in this article at all is one paragraph discussing REAL Women of Canada's infamous attack on him for including LGBT rights as part of the human rights component of his job. But LGBT rights are not an issue that only LGBT people themselves get onside with — heterosexual people are active on LGBT rights issues all the time, especially when they're involved in international diplomacy on the larger and more general issue of human rights. And even (Un)REAL Women didn't actually make the claim that he was personally gay — and even if they had gone there, it still wouldn't be enough to justify categorizing him as a gay man, because it still wouldn't be his own words out of his own mouth.
So nothing in the article "proves" anything about his sexuality in and of itself — and until somebody can properly source Baird as officially coming out as gay in his own words, nobody else making claims or assertions about his sexuality can ever be sufficient justification for describing or categorizing him as gay on Wikipedia. It's "officially comes out in his own words" or nothing, like it or not. I've said it before, but it bears repeating — when it comes to the sexuality of public figures, Wikipedia cares only about a person's choice to publicly affiliate themselves socially, politically and culturally with the LGBT community. If they haven't done that, then they're not LGBT in the sense that's encyclopedically relevant to us regardless of what they're doing with their fun bits on their own private time — it's their public affiliation with the LGBT community, not their private sex life, that makes a person's LGBTness worthy of note in an encyclopedia. Bearcat (talk) 20:08, 31 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

leaving office claims[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Baird_(Canadian_politician)&diff=prev&oldid=684498736 I reverted a pending edit that appered controversial in a BLP and I offer it here for discussion. Govindaharihari (talk) 00:52, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It was the right decision, IMHO. For the second claim, "associated with" could mean anything and the second link only mentions Baird twice, and not at all substantially. As for the first claim, it isn't some ordinary political controversy where the politician apologizes and it goes away. Anonymous (hardly a credible source) is claiming he sought underage boys for sex, but hasn't offered up much in the way of evidence. Until substantiated by reliable sources, there's no way that can go on without it being a massive BLP issue, and should be removed per WP:BLPREMOVE. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:19, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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