Talk:John Francis Green

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Notability[edit]

On what grounds is this subject notable? Mooretwin (talk) 10:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the article in its entirety and you will see that his murder attracted a great deal of controversy and notoriety, especially as Robert Nairac was said by some, such as Captain Fred Holroyd, to have been behind it, although it certainly has not been proved and authors such as Martin Dillon contest it.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:08, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Would it not be the case that Nairac is the notable person, rather than those whom he allegedly killed? Mooretwin (talk) 14:47, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Read the Barron Report, and it specifically mentions John Francis Green and the Miami Showband. Would you say that the latter weren't notable?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:50, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Miami Showband attack may be notable as an event, but don't see why Green is notable as a person. Mooretwin (talk) 17:43, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Green was not just an unknown Troubles' victim. He was the subject of much controversy in Dillon's book, and he was repeatedly cited in the Barron Report. His name also appears in many Wikipedia articles. His killing in the Irish Republic has been used as an example as to the extent of the possible and alleged collusion of British Military Intelligence with loyalist paramilitaries. His escape from Long Kesh disguised as a priest was singled out in Tim Pat Coogan's book, The IRA. He now has a Memorial in Castleblaney. I think Green is notable.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 04:05, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm dubious about this guy's notability, but sobeit. Seems the only victims of the Troubles notable enough to get an article about them are those who were members of paramilitary groupings. Other victims aren't even allowed to be mentioned in articles! That's WP, I guess. Mooretwin (talk) 12:06, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you'll recall, Mooretwin, I supported the listing of the Omagh bombing victims and even wrote down the names. The consensus was, however to remove it so I complied with the consensus. I am personally of the opinion that more victims need to be mentioned. Green was not just notable because he was an IRA volunteer. That on its own doesn't make him notable. However, combined with the controversy surrounding his death, with persistant allegations of British Military Intelligence collusion as well as the many articles which refer to him makes him notable. There is also the additional factor of his escape from Long Kesh disguised as a priest (again, that on its own doesn't imply notability but combined with the other factors, only increases it). Then lastly, he does have a memorial in Castleblaney. The combination of all of these factors make John Francis Green notable.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rank[edit]

I have not been able to ascertain Green's rank within the IRA. Fred Holroyd claimed he was commander of the Provisional North Armagh brigade, however other sources deny this, saying he was just an IRA volunteer.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cause of death[edit]

I changed cause of death in the infobox to Multiple gunshot wounds which is clearly less POV and is accurate.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:06, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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