Talk:John Hewson/Archive 1

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While this article is well written, I fear a lot of it includes unsourced analysis that isn't suitable for an encyclopedia. Many sentences claim to know the mind of the Australian people as a whole, Hewson's motivations and Keating's motivations. While most of them are 'reasonable' they fail to meet WP:Verifiability standards, and probably need to be removed or attributed to notable analysts. Ashmoo 03:13, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

In particular I question how the following statements could be verified:

  • In this role he performed well against the dominating Treasure, Paul Keating.
  • Hewson was determined to make a break with what he saw as the weak pragmatism of past Liberal leaders.
  • The package was at first well-received, and was welcomed as an idealistic alternative to the rather cynical pragmatism which had come to mark the Hawke government
  • Hawke and his Treasurer, John Kerin, were unable to mount an effective response,
  • Keating's campaign was demagogic and in some would say unfair
  • Hewson had never imagined the possibility of defeat, and for the rest of 1993 he seemed to be in shock.

Ashmoo 03:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

There is a fine line between describing what occurred and stating an opinion about what occurred. These sentences, IMO, well and truly cross that line. Rebecca 04:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Well then, if no one else objects I'll start removing/NPOVing them. Rebecca, why did you remove my section names? Ashmoo 00:43, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I had another look, and it appears that we edited simultaneously an my edit was lost. I merged our edits under that assumption. Ashmoo 00:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
The edits look fine by me. It's made some of the prose a bit clunky, but it's not too bad, and took out some opinion which really did need to go if without a source. Rebecca 01:18, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I've just come across this article and done work on cleaning it up and adding extra/missing citations. It doesn't really flow very well. Facts are all over the place and there is no real chronology to the article. There appears to be some minor NPOV; but nothing substantive. There is a strong link to content in the Birthday Cake Interview. I've changed the Fightback section to a sub-section; as it falls under politics. Jherschel (talk) 10:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Image

The misleading thing about the edit summary for the revert of the image is that it is not an image of Hewson while he was opposition leader. The image was taken almost a decade after his time as Liberal leader. Timeshift (talk) 01:37, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Can we have a image uploaded of Dr Hewson please? (Katter- 1993) --~~Katter- 1993~~. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Katter- 1993 (talk • contribs) 03:15, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Yes, if you can find a free one and or one you've taken yourself and make sure you upload it at Wikpedia Commons. Normally, if an article about a prominent person does not have a picture it's because a free one isn't available on the web and no Wikipedia editor has bothered to take one for the article. Donama (talk) 04:35, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Can I ask, what is the difference between this image and this image is, when the latter says "Copyright restrictions may apply" and the former doesn't? Does that mean the image doesn't have copyright restrictions that may apply, therefore it's free? Timeshift (talk) 03:17, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

It appears both are restricted from use on Wikipedia. The one that may have "copyright restrictions" probably has a Commonwealth copyright attached to it, but NLA can't confirm it. In such a case, it's not in the public domain until 50 years after the death of the author or 70 years after 1992, its publication date. And the source of the former photo is anonymous/unidentifiable so its not in the public domain until 70 years after its publication date of 2001. Donama (talk) 02:50, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Removed yet another WP:COPYVIO. Timeshift (talk) 17:35, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Hewson - Downer negotiation

  • Alexander Downer said negotiated with Dr Hewson but Hewson said he wanted the Shadow Treasurer Job Peter Costello had. Katter- 1993 added this and got it from that page it appears so. Keating 1991--Keating 1991 (talk) 06:52, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


Resigning from Parliament

  • Why did Dr Hewson resign from Parliament? (--Calwell 1961 (talk) 06:33, 4 December 2010 (UTC)Calwell 1961)


When did John Hewson resign from Parliament exactly, on Hewson's [age it says February 1995 but on Peter Coleman it says April 1995 does anybody know? ((HEWSON 1994). (talk) 06:34, 7 December 2010 (UTC)Hewson 1994)

Hewson decided to retire after finding out that his then wife Carolyn was pregnant and decided to leave politics to devote time in raising the new child.122.108.156.100 (talk) 02:07, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Are years of study in Canada and the USA known?

"[M]aster's degree from the...University of Saskatchewan... -- I and a second master's and a doctorate in economics from Johns Hopkins University...." I recall that to have been 1973 or '74 onwards for a presumable four-or-so years. He would have been doing economics in Canada when John Kenneth Galbraith, a native Canadian and once American ambassador to India, visited and lectured. I have no record but it would have been when Hewson was a master's student.Masalai (talk) 16:17, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Only Liberal leader to have never been a minister.

In fact, he was the only Leader of the Opposition who never sat on the government benches at all. He joined Parliament in 1987 in opposition, and left before the Keating government was defeated. Hooklineandsinker (talk) 10:15, 4 April 2013 (UTC)


Religious Right

I would like to add this to the article [[1]]to the page with the sentence "While Opposition leader Hewson apart from combining right wing economics also supported abortion, gay rights and working mothers.--Smokeyfire (talk) 07:44, 28 October 2014 (UTC)Smokeyfire

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Adding refs instead of fly-by citation needed tags

There were citation needed tags on, and added to, some things that really were basic no-brainers which a cursory google search would find refs for. To do this on such a scale (not just this article but many others) really does indicate a deletionist desire and a lack of any willingness to put even the slightest bit of effort in to content building. Seriously, put the tiny effort required in? It makes everyone's life easier, ensures truthful basic no-nonsense content remains, and builds the encyclopedia. IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG! I really fail to see the logic in such systemic, widespread content cn tagging and content removal, it's almost an affront to wikipedia itself. Timeshift (talk) 16:35, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

nice try. Now ranting here. Maybe try your sandbox. LibStar (talk) 16:38, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
The full back and forth can be found here. Needless to say, it implicates LibStar very negatively. Timeshift (talk) 16:48, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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Less than 43 votes

I remember shortly after the spill that ended Hewson's leadership, Hewson's chief of staff whose name I have long forgotten released a book in which he claimed that Hewson would have stood aside if he had won less than 43 votes that he had won after the 1993 election. Perhaps someone should find this source and include it in this article. It also worth noting that it is hard to believe why Hewson thought he could win at least 43 votes let alone the spill since a number of people who voted for him in 1993 have publicly stated that they would now be voting for Downer. 218.214.52.68 (talk) 03:08, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

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