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Infamy Vs. Controversy

Quote: "creating the now infamous Ren & Stimpy Show." Controversial would sound better than infamous. 62.121.64.90 (talk) 12:35, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Infamous is just as appropriate and all the more telling. 67.190.101.254 (talk) 01:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

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Coverage

The section about what a single internet forum "toon zone" allegedly thinks of John K. isn't really valid biographical information. He's a controversial figure in the animation industry with a very checkered past. That perhaps needs to be covered better. But to include the opinions held of someone across specific web communities is beyond the scope of a proper encyclopedia article.

That might be the basis for the negative opinion of him on toonzone but the fact that toon-zone specifically has a negative opinion of him is beyond the scope of a proper encyclopedia entry. 66.24.106.255 (talk) 11:28, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

-- It's also completly irrelevant as most of them seem to be nothing but ignorant, typical 10 year old flaming morons. Their opinion is so completly irrlevent that it dosn't even warrent Wikipeida attention. This is about John, not what a bunch of grade school dropouts think of him. 70.224.84.180 (talk) 02:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

>> I've got no idea what his problem was with Nickelodian, but it seems pretty clear that this guy can't meet a deadline to save his life. Kinda sad that he killed Ren and Stimpy by being such a prima-donna. 208.67.104.4 (talk) 18:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Attention Mods: why was his photo removed? Can someone give a valid reason for that? 66.24.106.255 (talk) 11:34, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

  • It was unsourced. I added a new image, with has a valid copyright license. (Ibaranoff24 00:44, 23 April 2006 (UTC))

The origin of Spumco's motto

from [1]

The origin of the motto "The Danes call it quality" is in the fact that Spumco originally shared an office building with a recording studio called Quality Sound. Spumco now uses Quality Sound's recording room and has in its possession some archaic sound equipment formerly owned by the studio. One of the names that John K. was throwing around for his animation studio was "Quality Pictures" or "Quality Animation." It apparently was a bit too normal for his tastes. 68.9.127.177 (talk) 17:47, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

John K. helped opened a studio in Austraila

John helped open an animation studio in Austraila, called Animation Works [2]. Thier website can be found here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by John Pannozzi (talk • contribs) 21:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

Sheridan College

The article doesn't mention it at all, yet it's in "see also". What gives? -Etafly 02:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Mr. K. attended Sheridan and was apparently kicked out. That may be why it's in there. --Thaddius 19:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

John K. on the GOLDEN COLLECTION discs

Actually, I think Kricfalusi has already provided an audio commentary for the Looney Tunes Golden Collection: Volume 5. In any case, we'll know in the next five days. --- JS, 16:21, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks like I was right after all! See here. — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 01:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

eGYPTIan theatre tribute

I'll return to this later: http://www.americancinematheque.com/archive1999/2004/specialeventssept.htm WhisperToMe (talk) 07:28, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Possible Hungarian ancestry

I'm 99% sure that he's at least paternally Hungarian. "Falusi" means rural, or villager. "Kric" has no meaning, it can be a misspelled "kis", which means small, short. It makes sense, because "Kisfalusi" is a normal surname in Hungary (a bit rare though). That's why I added the new category which indicates his ancestry. Source if needed to prove it: http://johnkemeny.com/blog/?cat=18 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.92.3.53 (talk) 00:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I read he was Ukrainian-Canadian by his own admission, actually. Problem is the article was years ago on a long-defunct website. I'm gonna have to do a lot of digging to find it. It was tucked away somewhere in the old Spumco website circa 2001, in an Interviews or Bio section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.24.25 (talk) 16:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Heh, now someone added he is Jewish. Any sources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoomazooma (talk • contribs) 22:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Age

Probably just me being pedantic, but below John's picture, his date of birth is followed by his age. I'm pretty sure he wasn't born aged 53! Why is his age even there when you can work it out or yourself from the birth date? Removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.177.239 (talk) 14:58, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

A question

Why does he has such a dumb face on the foto? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.190.195.86 (talk) 17:59, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Interviews and Articles

These are all very interesting, but they should be incorporated as references for statements in the actual article, to minimize the external links section. ----IsaacAA (talk) 09:23, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Done, with the exception of Nick Digilio's WGN Radio interview. ----IsaacAA (talk) 20:00, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Scratch that; added it as a reference. ----IsaacAA (talk) 20:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Whoever keeps adding the "criticisms" (sic) section

Please conform to the guidelines of Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Criticism_and_praise, specifically: insist on reliable third-party published sources. ----IsaacAA (talk) 22:44, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Here is the content that was removed:

  • Kricfalusi has been criticised by others within the animation industry for his outspoken opinions on other animated shows and also for his inability to meet deadlines.[1] Billy West, who provided the voices for a number of characters on Ren & Stimpy, stated that when Kricfalusi was fired from Ren & Stimpy for being unable to work to deadlines, he tried to pressurise West into resigning as well to act as leverage over the studio, which West connects to Kricfalusi's ego.[2] West has also criticised Kricfalusi for consistently failing to meet deadlines, spending more time on criticising others in the industry than producing work of his own and also for being an egomaniac, stating that "if he [Kricfalusi] passes wind he has to have a press conference" and that "he's the most obnoxious person I ever met."[3] -- — Kbob • Talk • 16:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Here's what WP:BLP says:

  • Criticism and praise of the subject should be represented if it is relevant to the subject's notability and can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, and so long as the material is written in a manner that does not overwhelm the article or appear to take sides; it needs to be presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone. Do not give disproportionate space to particular viewpoints. The views of a tiny minority have no place in the article. Care must be taken with article structure to ensure the overall presentation is broadly neutral; in particular, section headings should reflect areas important to the subject's notability.
  • Content should be sourced to reliable sources and should be about the subject of the article specifically. Beware of claims that rely on guilt by association. Look out for biased or malicious content about living persons. If someone appears to be promoting a biased point of view, insist on reliable third-party published sources and a clear demonstration of relevance to the person's notability.-- — Kbob • Talk • 16:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Jean, Al. (2004). The Simpsons, The Complete Fourth Season audio commentary for the episode "The Front". [DVD]. 20th Century Fox.
  2. ^ http://www.avclub.com/articles/billy-west,2345/
  3. ^ http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/06/15/billy-west-the-tv-squad-interview/

Archiving stuff

Linking to embed content on Krisfalusi's site and other places:

WhisperToMe (talk) 04:57, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Suicide Girls interview with John Kricfalusi

Possibly the most in-depth interview about Adult Party Cartoon. [3]. Should come in handy. ----IsaacAA (talk) 21:53, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Self-published sources

Relevant links:

Mr Kricfalusi frequently makes humorous outlandish statements on his blog about himself, including the recent "The Fire of Christ burst into Keegan McFly's breast last night and impelled him to create this glorious message of peace to share with cartoonists and lesser folk everywhere. Merry Christmas! (thanks to Keegan, Christ, Zeus, Zoroaster, Jehova, Buddha, Clampett, Allah and the rest of the pantheon of immortals)". Making this out to identify Kricfalusi as atheist, agnostic, pantheist, or any other affiliation or disaffiliation is probably on the bad side of Wikipedia:No original research, as it advises "do not analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself."

With that in mind, please do not analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in the blog yourself; it would be more appropriate to report it directly if it were noteworthy. This particular comment appears to be a humorous outlandish statement and not a description of (ir)religious affiliation. IsaacAA (talk) 14:32, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Horrible cartoons

I'd change "horrible projects with Ralph Bakshi" to "projects neither he or Bakshi was interested in". As I can't speak personally for Mr Krisfalusi but I read in Bakshi's book they are friends and as such would probably enjoy working together and also Bakshi said he disliked some of the early kiddie shows he worked on. Heres a link where Bakshi talks about John K. http://www.cartoonbrew.com/interviews/interview-ralph-bakshi-on-the-animation-industry-then-now-99015.html 24.156.240.142 (talk) 00:25, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Done. Bright☀ 03:53, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

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Sexual abuse allegations

Hello. As the allegations regarding John K.'s sexual behavior were first reported by BuzzFeed and other newspapers, I'm a little concerned that there will probably be some potential violations from IPs, since this is a biography of a living person. Maybe if there are more sources, we could get some ideas on how to write this? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:00, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

I requested temporary semi-protection for the article. Bright☀ 09:52, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
The protection request has been declined. Bright☀ 14:00, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Nickelodeon removing John K photos from hallways

Isn't the note about Nickelodeon removing John K's photos from its hallways a bit overly-detailed? In any case it can be sourced to the original BuzzFeed article, since it seems the Times article is merely quoting BuzzFeed and did no research of their own. Bright☀ 09:31, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

His Apology

I am not sure if this article should acknowledge John Kricfalusi's apology for the scandal. For one, pretty much no one is buying it and this development has even been criticized by a few individuals as less an apology and more a hasty attempt at rationalizing his actions.

I'm open to any suggestions on ways this issue can be dealt with without removing the sentence, but I have yet to find a citation about the backlash to Kricfalusi's apology that isn't a forum thread.

Ian Fairchild (talk) 12:00, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

I do believe there's a WP:UNDUE issue with mentioning the apology as it is solely primary-sourced. Bright☀ 13:15, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
After a quick search I found that many news outlets describe the apology negatively and phrased the article to reflect this. Bright☀ 13:21, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Let me get this strieght

John K. is not retiring, huh? I though he is.

Sincerely, Wiki-Ikiw — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki-Ikiw (talk • contribs) 22:54, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

As I tried to explain in the edit summary, Wikipedia articles are not a place for "the truth" if it's not backed up by sources. Even if you are 100% correct that John K has retired, you still need to cite a reliable source in order to include this information in a Wikipedia article. Bright☀ 10:13, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Non-credited work

The entire filmography section requires reliable sources for every work where John K is not in the credits. Bright☀ 19:00, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Is "John Kricfalusi: An Open Secret" a reliable source?

This video is apparently cited as a source for John K's controversy in the leading paragraphs. However, it's a YouTube video created by someone who doesn't even have an article on Wikpedia, which brings concerns of WP:SELFPUBLISHED, especially WP:BLPSPS. I removed it and the text citing it for that reason, but then User:UpWithJimmy reverted it because "This is an exception since someone involved with John K was talked about and the video is educational." I don't think that's a reasonable answer, because anyone can publish something they can claim is educational, and talking about someone being related to the subject does not make it anymore reliable.

Can someone answer this?
PrincessPandaWiki (talk) 01:03, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Not a WP:RS. It is a verified YouTube channel, but it appears to be one guy's social media outlet, and I would doubt we could find a reputation for fact-checking, editorial oversight, and the like. You are right to invoke WP:BLPSPS and it should be removed unquestionably. Elizium23 (talk) 07:04, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Just saw an edit war occur over the article. It was involving a user abusing multiple accounts, but I would've really liked the article to have at least pending changes protection, considering the subject is controversial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PrincessPandaWiki (talk • contribs) 15:20, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Canadian–American

The article's lead describes Kricfalusi as Canadian-American, but the article's main body contains no such information. Has he acquired American citizenship or is he only a Canadian expatriate in the United States? Dimadick (talk) 22:04, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

John K. Retirement

Just because he's still do blogs and draw pictures doesn't mean, he's still active PickleAndPeanutFan (talk) 05:44, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

PickleAndPeanutFan, we need reliable secondary sources that say he's retired, or it can't go in the article. Elizium23 (talk) 05:46, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Years active

I feel that "1979–present" is an appropriately concise description to use in the infobox, and no clarification is needed for his different roles. Either he is active or he is not. Elizium23 (talk) 02:43, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Sorry to disagree with you, but because John K. is a confirmed pedo, there is no reason to defend him, and there is no good reason to claim he is still active in the infobox when it is said he retired and that Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network said themselves they refuse to work with him again in the future. I know making it out that he is a terrible person is opinionated, but because he has been called out by Robyn Byrd and Katie Rice for molesting them while they were underaged, he has been disavowed and disowned by many animation companies, including but not limited to Cartoon Network, Adult Swim and Nickelodeon, as stated in the BuzzFeedNews document "The Disturbing Secret Behind An Iconic Cartoon: Underage Sexual Abuse". In the Happy Happy Joy Joy documentary, he has said it in his own words "I'm officially retired, not exactly by choice", so therefore it is stated that he is no longer active in the professional animation industry. The fact that you insist that the word "active" and how you state that there is no need for clarification is irrelevant. The FACT is that he is unable to work for the animation industry now because of the sexual harassment allegations, as someone who was sexually harassed at a young age, it is false to claim that he is active in the industry (I can live with stating he's still active as a blogger, but I can't live with the fact that you claim he is still active in the industry), we need to change it. This is unacceptable to list a child molester as still active, and this also contradicts the statement that he withdrew himself from the animation business, and the fact that Wikipedia is one of the most popular encyclopedia sites there is and presents that is disgusting. It feels like you actually support John K and believe that you still support him regardless of his child molesting crimes.
Please consider this. There is nothing acceptable about child molesting and the fact you claim that he is still active in the industry despite claims that he is unable to work in the industry (which is cited in the sources I mentioned) which contradict the statement he withdrew himself from the industry is unacceptable. Please respond once you read this because it is disgusting!HelloADoodleDown (talk) 21:46, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
"he has been disavowed and disowned by many animation companies, including but not limited to Cartoon Network, Adult Swim and Nickelodeon" Kricfalusi has not actually worked for any of these companies for quite some time. He has not regularly worked on any television series since 2003, when Ren & Stimpy "Adult Party Cartoon" ended. His animation studio Spümcø shut down in 2005. He was sued by other companies for failing to pay them for their services. Despite a once solid reputation as an animator, Kricfalusi has failed as a businessman. Dimadick (talk) 15:55, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
I would agree with Elizium23 on the matter. As per Template:Infobox person#Parameters, the years active parameter notes that the "Date range in years during which the subject was active in their principal occupation(s) and/or other activity for which they are notable. Use the format 1950–2000, or 1970–present if still active." In this case, we should use the latter format since he's still alive. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:00, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
What difference does it even make if he is still alive? He has been barred from working in animation, and the article on BuzzFeed news is a clear indication that he is unable to work for the professional animation business. What is wrong with just listing 1979-2020 on his animation industry part in his infobox? I'm doing this for the sake of everybody that has been sexually harassed, especially at a young age, like me!HelloADoodleDown (talk) 23:31, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
I do not think it is constructive for editors with a personal animus or vendetta against this man's deeds to try and bend the article to their will. Elizium23 (talk) 23:39, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Well maybe you think so anywayHelloADoodleDown (talk) 23:43, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Seriously?

What is wrong with this? Are you people paying attention to what you are reverting? I am aware he is active as a blogger, but it has been sourced that he is not part of the professional animation industry because of his sexual misconduct to minors. He is a sexually charged man.

If you don't know what I am talking about, refer to this!

1979–2020 (animator)
2006–present (blogger)

It makes it clear that he may still be blogging (Which I don't think he should but still) but what you still have up makes it look like he's still working for the animation industry, with that said, I shall respectfully add it back since this makes things more clear. Please understand why this is important before removing it!--HelloADoodleDown (talk) 16:54, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, you were also edit warring, which is forbidden. The proper way to deal with an edit war is to discuss on the article's talk page when an edit gets reverted, not revert again (there is also the three revert rule). Given that, we may need a consensus on the retirement issue. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:18, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm sorry for edit warring, but can you at least give me a response on how you feel about this scenario? Please respond!HelloADoodleDown (talk) 14:40, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Kricfalusi's career had declined prior to the accusation about his sexual misconduct. His output over the last decade or so consists of a single short film, and a few commercials. The animation industry seems unwilling to employ him. Dimadick (talk) 15:28, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Exactly, and even though he still blogs, the staff on Wikipedia insist that he is still active, which doesn't make any sense and contradicts the statement he has withdrawn from the animation industry.HelloADoodleDown (talk) 21:32, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
You will note that we are not staff on Wikipedia, only users. Also, this project works on consensus and there is no deadline. If there is a consensus to change the years active parameter, we can change it. If there's a consensus to keep it, it will be kept. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:45, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
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