Talk:John Waters (columnist)

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2006 posts[edit]

Haha congrats to the person who edited about the Eurovision song coming last, you beat me by ten seconds literally!!

Yep. There's a lot of full corners around Europe tonight what with all those "corner boys" who didn't pick up the phone and vote! LOL

His campaign for fathers' rights' has been marred by rhetoric such as "feminazis"[3]. THIS IS BIASED ... HE SAID IT, HE SAID IT . IT HAS NOT MARRED, AND IS NOT RHETORIC . FEMINAZI, CAMES IN DICTIONARY.COM, AND IS VERY USED IN THOSE SITUATIONS (and others, by the way), ABOUT FATHERS RIGHTS, VERSUS ULTRA FEMINISTS, ETC ETC . FEMINAZI, CAMES IN WILIPEDIA, TOO . FIX THIS, OK . IT WAS HIS (JOHN WATERS ) OPINION, DONT PUT YOURS . / P. QUINTELA .. --END//

I did not dispute that he used the term "feminazi" - in fact that's why I made that comment. John Waters tends to badly overstate cases he tries to make, thus even when I agree with him I see him shooting himself in the foot. I read the debate between John Waters and Sean Love and concluded that Waters was being his usual over-the-top self. It's not like he's debating extremists like Andrea Dworkin! He once complained about feminists and the Irish Constitution when the article he cited was one that had been in the constitution since 1937 - hardly a document that was written by militant feminists! Autarch 20:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shhhh BIG CAPS PERSON. El Gringo 01:30, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Irish Times[edit]

Has he left it? If so, why? I saw an article of his in today's Sunday Independent. El Gringo 01:30, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He's still writing for it - todays' Irish Times has a column by him. He's no longer published by Village, though. Autarch 19:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

Five of the six (#1–5) current inline citations don't work any more because most are now from a pay content website. Does anyone have new accessible verifiable sources? ww2censor 03:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What a fantastic example of someone taking quotes out of context and using them for their own agenda. This is obviously edited by the same faction of individuals who outwardly dislike John Waters. This same group of pseudo intellectuals would do well to employ some of the objectivity they so often demand from others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.190.135.235 (talk) 13:32, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Hi, at the very top, the fourth hyperlink is supposedly to 'In Dublin' magazine, but it actually links to a folk album that was produced in 1974. Can this be, eh rectified please? Terrificjoy (talk) 22:31, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have you tried the Wayback Machine? -- 109.78.153.72 (talk) 01:15, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GAY[edit]

The article refers to John Waters using the term "GAY", linking to an article in the Irish Times. For those of us who don't have a subscription, could the author who added that remark expand on it? Autarch (talk) 13:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above term in quotes turned out to be vandalism - has been fixed. Autarch (talk) 21:40, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again, have you tried the Wayback Machine, many articles from the Irish Times (and other places) are archived before it goes behind the Paywall. (There are very common settings they could apply to their website if they did not want to allow this.) If you find a dead link or missing link on Wikipedia it is probably the first thing you should check -- 109.78.153.72 (talk) 01:15, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"...sixty to seventy percent of the internet is pornography"[edit]

dont see why thats in the controvery section, if anything his estimates very conservative

Date of birth[edit]

Anyone have a reliable source for this? Not urgent, but would be nice to have. Autarch (talk) 01:03, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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/* Direct Provision */ Removed possibly opinionated text (NPOV)[edit]

A question regarding the Direct Provision section; is it appropriate to include the text "as part of their xenophobic policy" when referring to "Far Right Groups". To me this seems opinionated even if it is technically true. It doesn't seem like the place to insert commentary or analysis on the motivations behind Far Right policy, and it implies John Waters is himself xenophobic. Which if there is no source of him saying such I don't think it is fair to imply, which is important I think due to Wikipedia consensus on BLP.

Interested in consensus as @Bastun: reverted my edit. And I feel like their own views might be affecting their maintenance of the article perhaps. --Moseley3 (talk) 16:43, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Moseley. Far-right groups are - pretty much by definition - xenophobic. See the lede of the Far-right politics article, for example. You admit yourself it's true. We can add additional sources, obviously, such as this one: https://twitter.com/SpotterIrish/status/1427383914474115078 - where Waters and O'Doherty espouse a coup, the termination of democracy, and the forced expulsion of immigrants. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:21, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Bastun, hm, I agree that such can be said about Far Right groups, my only concern is if it is fair to imply John Waters is xenophobic, and the tone of that statement. Is John Waters connected to Far Right groups in an "official" way? He surely has a far right audience, I'm just not sure is that is enough to state things about him in that connection. (Gemma O'Doherty seems to be doing all the talking in that video). I'm not going to force this issue too much as I dislike John Waters and agree he comes across as xenophobic, however I was just concerned about the tone here and about making biased authoritative statements. What is your reasoning behind including "as part of their xenophobic policy"? While it is xenophobic, I feel like far right groups would justify it with a different rationale, in different words. And using the term xenophobic seems unnecessarily loaded? Moseley3 (talk) 17:39, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Far-right groups are xenophobic - I mean, we're in WP:SKYISBLUE territory, there, surely? The attacks on DP centres weren't carried out by citizens concerned at the conditions in the centres, or the welfare of those who'd be using them. We could change the construction to "Xenophobic far-right groups..." if you prefer? Whether you or I like Waters or not is immaterial. He shares a platform with Gemma O'Doherty and ACI. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 15:54, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm satisfied not to push this any further, you have more experience than I do as an editor and I shall go along with your judgement on this. "Xenophobic far-right groups..." might be more appropriate. but I suppose it does raise the question is that a redundant statement, also. It probably wouldn't add anything to this article to phrase it another way. Thanks Bastun. Moseley3 (talk) 16:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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